How to avoid our own lost decade

June 12, 2011

Even with the 2008-2009 policy effort that successfully prevented financial collapse, the US is now halfway to a lost economic decade. In the past five years, our economy’s growth rate averaged less than one per cent a year, similar to Japan when its bubble burst. At the same time, the fraction of the population working has fallen from 63.1 per cent to 58.4 per cent, reducing the number of those in jobs by more than 10m. Reports suggest growth is slowing.

Beyond the lack of jobs and incomes, an economy producing below its potential for a prolonged interval sacrifices its future. To an extent once unimaginable, new college graduates are moving back in with their parents. Strapped school districts across the country are cutting out advanced courses in maths and science. Reduced income and tax collections are the most critical cause of unacceptable budget deficits now and in the future.

You cannot prescribe for a malady unless you diagnose it accurately and understand its causes. That the problem in a period of high unemployment, as now, is a lack of business demand for employees not any lack of desire to work is all but self-evident, as shown by three points: the propensity of workers to quit jobs and the level of job openings are at near-record low; rises in non-employment have taken place among all demographic groups; rising rates of profit and falling rates of wage growth suggest employers, not workers, have the power in almost every market.

A sick economy constrained by demand works very differently from a normal one. Measures that usually promote growth and job creation can have little effect, or backfire. When demand is constraining an economy, there is little to be gained from increasing potential supply. In a recession, if more people seek to borrow less or save more there is reduced demand, hence fewer jobs. Training programmes or measures to increase work incentives for those with high and low incomes may affect who gets the jobs, but in a demand-constrained economy will not affect the total number of jobs. Measures that increase productivity and efficiency, if they do not also translate into increased demand, may actually reduce the number of people working as the level of total output remains demand-constrained.

Traditionally, the US economy has recovered robustly from recession as demand has been quickly renewed. Within a couple of years after the only two deep recessions of the post first world war period, the economy grew in the range of 6 per cent or more – that seems inconceivable today. Why?

Inflation dynamics defined the traditional postwar US business cycle. Recoveries continued and sometimes even accelerated until they were murdered by the Federal Reserve with inflation control as the motive. After inflation slowed, rapid recovery propelled by dramatic reductions in interest rates and a backlog of deferred investment, was almost inevitable.

Our current situation is very different. With more prudent monetary policies, expansions are no longer cut short by rising inflation and the Fed hitting the brakes. All three expansions since Paul Volcker as Fed chairman brought inflation back under control in the 1980s have run long. They end after a period of overconfidence drives the prices of capital assets too high and the apparent increases in wealth give rise to excessive borrowing, lending and spending.

After bubbles burst there is no pent-up desire to invest. Instead there is a glut of capital caused by over-investment during the period of confidence – vacant houses, malls without tenants and factories without customers. At the same time consumers discover they have less wealth than they expected, less collateral to borrow against and are under more pressure than they expected from their creditors.

Pressure on private spending is enhanced by structural changes. Take the publishing industry. As local bookstores have given way to megastores, megastores have given way to internet retailers, and internet retailers have given way to e-books, two things have happened. The economy’s productive potential has increased and its ability to generate demand has been compromised as resources have been transferred from middle-class retail and wholesale workers with a high propensity to spend up the scale to those with a much lower propensity to spend.

What, then, is to be done? This is no time for fatalism or for traditional political agendas. The central irony of financial crisis is that while it is caused by too much confidence, borrowing and lending, and spending, it is only resolved by increases in confidence, borrowing and lending, and spending. Unless and until this is done other policies, no matter how apparently appealing or effective in normal times, will be futile at best.

The fiscal debate must accept that the greatest threat to our creditworthiness is a sustained period of slow growth. Discussions about medium-term austerity need to be coupled with a focus on near-term growth. Without the payroll tax cuts and unemployment insurance negotiated last autumn we might now be looking at the possibility of a double dip. Substantial withdrawal of fiscal stimulus at the end of 2011 would be premature. Stimulus should be continued and indeed expanded by providing the payroll tax cut to employers as well as employees. Raising the share of payroll from 2 per cent to 3 per cent is desirable, too. These measures raise the prospect of sizeable improvement in economic performance over the next few years.

At the same time we should recognise that it is a false economy to defer infrastructure maintenance and replacement, and take advantage of a moment when 10-year interest rates are below 3 per cent and construction unemployment approaches 20 per cent to expand infrastructure investment.

It is far too soon for financial policy to shift towards preventing future bubbles and possible inflation, and away from assuring adequate demand. The underlying rate of inflation is still trending downwards and the problems of insufficient borrowing and investing exceed any problems of overconfidence. The Dodd-Frank legislation is a broadly appropriate response to the challenge of preventing any recurrence of the events of 2008. It needs to be vigorously implemented. But under-, not overconfidence is the problem, and needs to be the focus of policy.

Policy in other dimensions should be informed by the shortage of demand that is a defining characteristic of our economy. The Obama administration is doing important work in promoting export growth by modernising export controls, promoting US products abroad and reaching and enforcing trade agreements. Much more could be done through changes in visa policy to promote exports of tourism as well as education and health services. Recent presidential directives regarding relaxation of inappropriate regulatory burdens should also be rigorously implemented.

Perhaps the US’ most fundamental strength is its resilience. We averted depression in 2008/09 by acting decisively. Now we can avert a lost decade by recognising economic reality.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot University Professor at Harvard and former US Treasury Secretary. He is an FT contributing editor.

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How to save the eurozone

July 18, 2011

With last week’s tumult in Italian markets, the European financial crisis has entered a new and far more dangerous phase. Where the crisis had been existential for small economies on the periphery of Europe but not systemically threatening to either the idea of European monetary union or to the functioning of the global financial system, it now threatens both European integration and the global recovery. Last week’s drama over bond auctions in Europe’s third leading economy should convince even the most hardened bureaucrat that the world can no longer let policy responses be shaped by dogma, bureaucratic agenda and expediency. It is to be hoped that European officials can engineer a decisive change of direction but if not, the world can no longer afford the deference that the International Monetary Fund and non-European G20 officials have shown European policymakers in the past 15 months.

Three realities must be recognised if there is to be a chance of success. First, the maintenance of systemic confidence is essential in a financial crisis. Teaching investors a lesson is a wish not a policy. US policymakers were applauded for about 12 hours for their willingness to let Lehman go bankrupt. The adverse consequences of the shattering effect that had on confidence are still being felt now. The European Central Bank is right in its concern that punishing creditors for the sake of teaching lessons or building political support is reckless in a system that depends on confidence. Those who let Lehman go believed that because time had passed since the Bear Stearns’ bail-out, the market had learnt lessons and so was prepared. In fact, the main lessons learnt were on how best to find the exits, and so uncontrolled bankruptcies had systemic consequences that far exceeded their expectations.

Second, no country can be expected to generate huge primary surpluses for long periods for the benefit of foreign creditors. Meeting debt burdens at rates currently charged by the official sector for credit – let alone the private sector – would involve burdens on Greece, Ireland and Portugal comparable to the reparations’ burdens Keynes warned about in The Economic Consequences of the Peace.

Third, whether or not a country is solvent depends not just on its debt burdens and its commitment to strong domestic policies, but on the broader economic context. Liquidity problems left unattended become confidence problems. Debtors who are credibly highly solvent at interest rates close to or below their nominal growth rates are likely to become insolvent at higher interest rates, putting further pressure on rates and exacerbating solvency worries in a vicious cycle. This has already happened in Greece, Portugal and Ireland, and is in danger of happening in Italy and Spain.

In short, the approach of lending more and more from the official sector to countries that cannot access the market at premium rates of interest is unsustainable. The debts incurred will in large part never be repaid, even as their size discourages private capital flows and indeed any growth-creating initiative. Assertions that the most indebted countries can service their debts in full at current interest rates only undermine the credibility of policymakers when they go on to assert that the fundamentals are relatively sound in Spain and Italy. Further lending at premium interest rates only increases the scale of the necessary restructuring. It is reasonable to argue that the recognition of debt unsustainability in Greece has been excessively deferred. It is not reasonable to argue that Greek reprofiling or restructuring alone will address a general crisis of confidence.

A fundamental shift of tack is required, towards an approach focused on avoiding systemic risk, restarting growth and restoring arithmetic credibility rather than simply staving off disaster. The twin realities that Greece, Italy and Ireland need debt relief and that the creditors have only limited capacity to take immediate losses, mean that all approaches require increased efforts from the European centre. Fortunately, the likely consequence of doing more upfront is a lower cost in the long run. The details are less relevant than having an appropriate approach overall, aligned with EU political realities. But some elements are crucial to any viable strategy.

European authorities must restate their commitment to solidarity as embodied in a common currency and recognise that the failure of any European economy is unacceptable. If they can find the political will, the technicalities of a policy response are not that difficult. But it should include these further commitments.

First, for programme countries, interest rates on debt to the official sector should be reduced to a European borrowing rate, defined as the rate at which common European entitities backed with joint and several liability by all the countries of Europe can borrow. A default to the official sector will not be tolerated, so there is no reason to charge a needless risk premium that puts the whole enterprise at risk.

Second, countries whose borrowing rate exceeds some threshold – perhaps 200 basis points over the lowest national borrowing rate in the euro system – should be exempted from contributing to bail-out funds. The last thing the marginal need is to be pulled down by the weak.

Third, there must be a clear commitment that, whatever else happens, no big financial institution in any country will be allowed to fail. The most serious financial breakdowns – in Indonesia in 1997, Russia in 1998, and the US in 2008 – came when authorities allowed doubt over the basic functioning of the financial system. This responsibility should rest with the ECB, with the requisite political support.

Fourth, countries judged to be pursuing sound policies will be permitted to buy EU guarantees on new debt issuances at a reasonable price, payable on a deferred basis.

These measures would do much to contain the storm. They would lower payments for debtor nations, protect states at risk from participation in rescue efforts or from shortfalls in market confidence, and ensure the ECB could continue backstopping the stability of European banks.

This leaves the question of what is to be done with sovereign private debt. Creditors gain nothing from breakdown. Some will want to sell out of their exposures at prices marginally above their current market value. Others, who are still regarding sovereign European debts as worth par, should be given appropriate, reduced interest rate longer maturity options. Debt repurchases are a possibility if the private sector accepts sufficiently large present-value debt reductions. But any approach should be judged on the sustainability of programme country debt repayments.

Much of this will seem unrealistic given the terms of Europe’s debate. It seemed highly unrealistic even 10 days ago that Italy’s solvency would come into substantial doubt. The alternative to forthright action today is much more expensive action – to much less benefit – in the not too distant future. The next few weeks may be the most important in the history of the EU.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor and president emeritus at Harvard University. He was Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton.

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Time is of the essence, any US budget deal will do

July 12, 2011

As the debt negotiators square off in Congress, much attention will focus on the size of the 10-year budget deal they come up with. As almost everyone agrees, there is much more risk of doing too little than too much given the scale of America’s fiscal challenge.

The truth is that the expected impact of the deal over a 10-year period will not be its most important aspect except in the context of the current media cycle. Very little hinges on whether the deal picks up the low-hanging fruit with respect to entitlements and revenues – or even breaks some new ground – this year or in the next couple of years.

Agreements reached now are subject to revision, potentially radical revision following next year’s election. Businesses are basing their investment decisions on the size of their current order books, not their guesses of fiscal policy in 2015. Consumers are deciding whether or not to spend based on how confident they are that they can hold on to their jobs.

Here is what is not getting its due attention. Decisions about spending and taxing over the next year or two will have a significant impact on job creation over the next year, the economy over the next decade and on the path of US national debt over an even longer horizon.

Suppose any proposed deal could be adjusted, thereby adding an extra 1 per cent to gross domestic product growth over the next year. A reasonable assumption is that the increase in output might not be sustained as inflation slows down, investment is increased, fewer workers abandon the search for jobs, and so forth.

Assume the impact falls from 1 per cent to 0 per cent over the course of a decade. The consequence would be an increment to GDP of 0.5 per cent or about $1,000bn over the period. That would represent close to 4m job years. And it would reduce deficits by about $400bn – more than it looks like Democrats will be able to come up with in revenue raising or Republicans in cuts to the cost of healthcare.

Is there scope for adding fiscal measures that would contribute 1 per cent of GDP or more over the next year and a half? Absolutely. With economic demand constrained and in a liquidity trap where interest rates cannot fall further, fiscal policies have larger than normal effects. With even very conservative estimates of multiplier effects, a combination of continuing payroll tax cuts, maintaining support for unemployed workers, and accelerating infrastructure maintenance could add closer to 2 per cent of GDP growth over the next year and a half.

Usually the media and Washington take too short a view. Now is the rare time when all need to remember that you only get to the long run through the short run. Given the current weakness of the US economy what is most important is that any budget deal be pushed forward as soon as possible.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor and president emeritus at Harvard University. He was Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton.

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The world must insist that Europe act

September 18, 2011

In his celebrated essay “The Quagmire Myth and the Stalemate Machine”, published in 1972, Daniel Ellsberg drew out the lesson regarding the Vietnam war that came out of the 8,000 pages of the Pentagon Papers, which he had secretly copied a few years earlier. It was simply this: policymakers acted without illusion. At every juncture they made the minimum commitments necessary to avoid imminent disaster – offering optimistic rhetoric, but never taking the steps that even they believed could offer the prospect of decisive victory. They were tragically caught in a kind of no-man’s-land – unable to reverse a course to which they had committed so much, but also unable to generate the political will to take forward steps that gave any realistic prospect of success. Ultimately, after years of needless suffering, their policy collapsed around them.

Much the same process has played out in Europe over the past two years. At every stage of this process, from the first signs of trouble in Greece, to the spread of problems to Portugal and Ireland, to the recognition of Greece’s inability to pay its debts in full, to the rise of debt spreads in Spain and Italy, the authorities have played out the stalemate machine. They have done just enough beyond euro-orthodoxy to avoid an imminent collapse, but never enough to establish a sound foundation for a resumption of confidence. Perhaps inevitably, the gaps between emergency summits grow shorter and shorter.

The process has taken its toll on policymakers’ credibility. As I warned European friends quite some time ago, authorities who assert in the face of all evidence that Greece can service on time 100 per cent of its debts will have little credibility when they later assert that the fundamentals are sound in Spain and Italy, even if their view on the latter point is a reasonable one. After the spectacle of European bank stress tests that treat assets where credit default swaps exceed 500 basis points as riskless, how can markets do otherwise than to ignore regulators’ assertions about the solvency of certain key financial institutions?

A continuation of the grudging incrementalism of the past two years now risks catastrophe. What was a task of defining the parameters of “too big to fail” has become the challenge of figuring out what to do when important insolvent debtors are too large to save. There are many differences between the environment today and the environment in the autumn of 2008, or indeed at any other historical moment. But any student of recent financial history should know that breakdowns that seemed inconceivable at one moment can seem inevitable at the next.

To her very great credit Christine Lagarde, the new managing director of the International Monetary Fund, has already pointed up the three principles that any approach to Europe’s financial problems must respect. First, Europe must work backwards from a vision of where its monetary system will be several years hence. The reality is that Europe’s politicians have for the past decade dismissed the widespread view among experienced monetary economists that multiple sovereigns with independent budgeting and banking regulation will over time place unsustainable strains on a common currency. The European Monetary Union has been a classic case of the late economist Rudiger Dornbusch’s dictum: “In economics, things take longer to happen than you think they will, and then they happen faster than you thought they could.” So it has been with the build-up of pressures on the eurozone system.

There can be no return to the pre-crisis status quo. It is now clear that market discipline within monetary union is insufficiently potent and credible to assure sound finance. It is equally clear that the risk of self-fulfilling confidence crises becomes substantial when banks and sovereigns have no access to lender of last resort financing. The responsibilities of the ECB, national financial and regulatory authorities and EU officials can be defined in different ways. But there must now be simultaneously an increase in the central financial commitment to the financial stability of member states, and a reduction in their financial autonomy, if the common currency is to survive.

Second, Ms Lagarde is right to point out serious issues of inadequate capital in European banks. Taking even relatively optimistic views about sovereign debt and growth prospects, European banks are in at least as problematic a condition as American banks were in the summer of 2008. Unfortunately, in many cases they are far larger relative to their national economies. Now is the time for realistic stress testing, and then resorting to private capital markets if possible, and to public capital infusions if necessary. With delay, private capital markets will close completely and nervous managements will rein in the provision of credit just when credit contraction is most likely to damage real economic prospects.

Third, like her predecessor, Ms. Lagarde has broken with IMF orthodoxy in noting that expansionary policies are necessary in the face of substantial economic slack. The oxymoronic doctrine of expansionary fiscal contraction is being discredited with every passing month. Europe needs a growth strategy. Yet almost everywhere, and certainly in the most indebted countries, binding commitments to eventual deficit reductions are a necessity. And in some places credibility has been lost to the point where immediate actions are needed. But Europe can handle its debts and contribute to a stronger global economy only if it grows. This will require both aggregate fiscal and monetary expansion.

This last point is an essential lesson of recent American experience. Even though credit spreads and equity values had normalised by the end of 2009, and the financial system was again functioning reasonably normally a year after the 2008 panic, lack of demand has continued to constrain growth. While any single household or nation can improve its balance sheet by saving more and spending less, the effort by all to cut back means reduced incomes and ultimately less saving for all. Germany, in particular, needs to recognise that if other European nations are going to borrow less then it will be able to lend less, and that as a matter of arithmetic this will mean a smaller trade surplus.

The world’s finance ministers and central bank governors will gather in Washington next weekend for their annual meetings. The meetings will have been a failure if a clearer way forward for Europe does not emerge. Remarkably, the European authorities that drove Ms Lagarde’s selection just three months ago have rejected important components of her analysis. In normal circumstances comity would require deference by others to European authorities on the resolution of European problems. Now, when these problems have the potential to disrupt growth around the world, all nations have an obligation to insist that Europe find a viable way forward. Failure would be yet another example of what Churchill called “want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self- preservation strikes its jarring gong – these are features which constitute the endless repetition of history”.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot University Professor at Harvard.

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The way forward for Fannie and Freddie

July 27, 2008

Anyone who cares about the health of the US economy should welcome the enactment of the Treasury’s rescue plan for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, along with other measures to support the housing market. While there is room for argument about details, the risks to the financial system were too great to allow delay.

No one should suppose, however, that the issue is now satisfactorily resolved, even for the short term. Emergency legislation was necessary because market participants were unwilling to buy Fannie and Freddie’s debt; investors doubted that the government-sponsored enterprises were healthy enough to repay it and did not draw sufficient reassurance from the implicit guarantee of federal support. If their debt proves easier to place now, it is only because this guarantee has been strengthened, not because anything has changed at the GSEs.

This, to put it mildly, is a highly problematic posture for policy. While I strongly supported the Federal Reserve’s policy response to the crisis at Bear Stearns because it was necessary to avoid systemic risk, it is easy to sympathise with those who fear that bailouts inhibit market discipline. Consider how much more problematic the Bear Stearns response would have been had policymakers signalled their commitment to back the company’s liabilities without limit; left management in place with no change in the business model; and allowed dividends to be paid and shareholders to keep going with hope for a better tomorrow. Yet all of these elements are present in the cases of Fannie and Freddie.

To see the temptation and danger inherent in a situation of this kind, one need only look back to the mismanagement of the savings and loans crisis during the 1980s. Policymakers protected depositors, allowed institutions to operate even when their fundraising depended on government support, and suspended regular standards in order to attract private capital. With gains privatised and losses socialised, taxpayers ultimately ended up with a $300bn-plus bill measured in today’s dollars.

Allowing the clearly undercapitalised GSEs to continue operating within their current paradigm carries similar risks. The principal difference is that the GSEs are much larger than the thrift institutions, while the housing crisis is more serious than anything we have seen since the Depression.

To be sure, if one supposed that the GSEs’ problems were all issues of confidence and was certain of their underlying financial health, there might be a case for government guarantees with no onerous conditions. But almost every outside observer agrees that pre-crisis, the GSEs could only borrow because of their implicit government guarantees. Since the crisis their position has sharply deteriorated, and will deteriorate further.

There is no question that we need the GSEs to be highly active in support of the housing market and financial system in the months ahead. If the authorities can see a path to their being able to play such a role in a framework where it can honestly be said that their borrowing is based on confidence in their financial position rather than primarily on federal guarantees, then this is obviously the preferred alternative. But after what we have seen, such a judgment cannot be based on the GSEs’ own claims, the understandable desire of government officials to maintain confidence and attract private capital, or the fact that they are able to borrow – which only reflects the strength of federally provided credit assurances.

If this preferred alternative is, as I fear, not realistic given the state of GSE finances, the government should use its new receivership power to protect taxpayers and the financial system. In the process, payments to stock holders, holders of preferred stock and probably subordinated debt holders would be wiped out, conserving cash for the benefit of taxpayers. The GSEs’ borrowing costs would fall considerably, helping prospective homeowners.

In this scenario, the government would operate the GSEs as public corporations for several years. They would then be in a position to extend credit where appropriate to support resolution of the current housing crisis. Once the crisis has passed, the federal government would divide their functions into government and private components, the latter of which would be sold off in multiple pieces. The proceeds could be used to fund the low-income housing support activity that was previously mandated to the GSEs.

With this approach, the federal government would be in a position to support the housing market in the years ahead without encouraging dubious financial practices or denying financial reality, as is the case today. In the longer term, it would provide an opportunity to rebuild the housing finance system on far stronger foundations.

A major concern is that receivership would endanger the financial health of the US by taking on to the federal government’s balance sheet all the liabilities of the GSEs. This argument confuses appearance with reality. Recent statements by the Treasury and the Fed have removed any doubt that the US will stand behind the senior debt of the GSEs. Surely everyone should have learned by now that keeping liabilities off balance sheets does not make them any smaller or less real.

The stakes here are high. The choices made in the coming months will bear on the housing market, future taxpayer burdens, the credibility of US financial authorities in times of crisis and the integrity of the political system. It is a time for decisive action.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard and a managing director of D.E. Shaw & Co

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Relief at an agreement will give way to alarm

August 2, 2011

At last Washington has reached a deal that raises the debt limit and averts a default that would have been a national embarrassment and an economic and geopolitical catastrophe. The forces shaping the deal and the deal itself are multifaceted and so also is the right reaction to it. Mine has a number of elements.

The first is relief. There will be no first default in US history; no economy-damaging short-run austerity; no attack on the nation’s core social protection programmes or universal healthcare; and no repeat of the past month’s shabby spectacle for at least 15 months. All of this was in doubt even a week ago, as congressional intransigence threatened to make the problem of raising the limit insoluble.

The Hippocratic Oath applies in economics as well as medicine, and so it is no small thing for the administration to have struck an agreement that does no immediate harm. It may well be that no better agreement was achievable, given the dynamics in Congress.

But next comes cynicism. An objective observer would now predict larger US budget deficits than a few months ago. The economic forecast has deteriorated, and it is reasonable to estimate even a half a per cent reduction in growth, averaged over 10 years, adds more than a trillion dollars to the national debt by 2021.

Despite claims of spending reductions of about $1,000bn, the agreement will also have little impact on spending during the next decade. The deal confirms the low spending levels already negotiated for 2011 and 2012, and caps 2013 spending where most would have expected this Congress to end up.

Beyond that, the outcomes are anyone’s guess. The reality is that Congress approves discretionary spending annually, and the current Congress cannot effectively constrain future actions. True, there are caps and sequester threats present in the debt limit legislation, but these are virtually certain to be reformulated in 2013. The reality was, and still is, that discretionary spending will reflect the will of future congresses.

Remarkably for a matter so consequential, the agreement the super committee will seek to reduce the deficit by $1,500bn comes without any agreement on what the baseline is from which that figure is to be subtracted. Does the baseline include the Bush tax cuts? Does it exclude tax extenders, or the annual fix on the alternative minimum tax? These and other questions are unresolved.

Such baselines arguments are mind numbing, but highly consequential. If a baseline following current policy is adopted, for instance, probably in an effort to make deficit reduction easier, it would treat the non-extension of the Bush-era high income tax cuts as a $1,000bn tax increase – hardly a likely outcome given the composition of the proposed super committee.

Economic anxiety should be our final reaction. America’s current problem is much more a jobs and growth deficit than an excessive budget deficit. This is confirmed by the fact that a single bad economic statistic more than wiped out all the stock market gains from the avoidance of default, and the fact that bond yields reached new lows at the moment of maximum apparent danger on the debt limit.

On the current policy path, which involves a substantial withdrawal of fiscal stimulus when the payroll tax cuts expire at the end of the year, it would be surprising if growth was rapid enough even to bring unemployment down to 8.5 per cent by the end of 2012. With growth at less than 1 per cent in the first half of the year, the economy is now at stall speed with the prospects of adverse shocks from a European financial crisis that is decidedly not under control, spikes in oil prices and confidence declines on the part of businesses and households. Based on the flow of statistics, the odds of the economy going back into recession are at least one in three – if nothing new is done to raise demand and spur growth.

If these judgments are close to correct, relief will soon give way to alarm about the US’s economic and fiscal future. Among all the machinations ahead, two issues stand out. First, the single largest and easiest method of deficit reduction is the non-extension of the Bush high-income tax cuts. The president should make clear that he will not accept their extension on any terms. That, along with modest entitlement reform, will be sufficient to hit current deficit reduction targets. Second, it is essential the payroll tax cut be extended and further measures, such as infrastructure maintenance and unemployment insurance extension, be taken to spur demand. If so, there is still time to confirm Churchill’s maxim that the US always does the right thing after exhausting all the alternatives.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor and president emeritus at Harvard University. He was Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton.

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Why the housing burden stalls America’s economic recovery

October 23, 2011

Construction of new single family homes has plummeted from about 1.7m in the middle of the last decade to about 450,000 at present. With housing starts averaging well over a million during the 1990s, the shortfall in housing construction now dwarfs the excess during the bubble and is the largest single component of the shortfall in gross domestic product.

Losses on owner-occupied housing have reduced consumers’ wealth by more than $7,000bn over the past five years, and uncertainty about the future value of their homes and the inability to refinance at reasonable rates deters household outlays on durable goods. The continuing weakness of the housing sector is a major risk for US financial institutions, raising significantly the costs of the loans they offer.

In retrospect it would have been better if financial institutions and those involved in regulating them, especially the Federal Housing Finance Agency, recognised that house prices can go down as well as up, if more rigour had been applied in providing credit, if the government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) had been more careful in monitoring those originating and servicing loans, and if there had been more vigilance about fraudulent behaviour.

The central irony of financial crisis is that while it is caused by too much confidence, too much borrowing and lending and too much spending, it can only be resolved with more confidence, more borrowing and lending, and more spending. Most policy failures in the US stem from a failure to appreciate this truism and therefore to take steps that would have been productive pre-crisis but are counterproductive now with the economy severely constrained by lack of confidence and demand.

Thus even as the gap between the economy’s production and its capacity increases, fiscal policy turns contractionary, financial regulation focuses on discouraging risk-taking and monetary policy is constrained by concerns about excess liquidity. Most significantly US housing policies especially with regard to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, institutions whose purpose is to mitigate cyclicality, have become a case of disastrous procyclical policy.

The question now is what should be done to address the housing market given the drag it represents on the economy. With virtually all mortgages in the US provided by the federal government or guaranteed by the GSEs, this is inevitably a matter of government policy.

Unfortunately past policy has been preoccupied with backward-looking attempts to address the consequences of errors in mortgage extension by addressing homeowners on a case by case basis and decisions regarding the GSEs have been left to their conservator, the FHFA, which has taken a narrow view of the public interest. The FHFA has not acted to ensure the GSEs stabilise the US housing market, and taken no account that the narrow financial interest of the GSEs depends on a national housing recovery. Instead of focusing on the stabilisation of the market, it has been reversing its previous policies heedless of changes in the environment and in treating mortgage finance as a morality play involving homeowners, financial institutions and banks rather than an important component of economic policy. A better approach would involve several changes in policy.

First, and perhaps most fundamentally, credit standards for those seeking to buy homes are too high and rigorous. This reduces demand for houses, lowering prices and driving increases in foreclosures, leading to further tightening of credit standards and a vicious growth-destroying cycle. Statistics suggest the characteristics of the average applicant in 2004 would make an applicant among the most risky today. Of course the pattern should be the opposite given that the odds of a further 35 per cent decline in house prices are much lower than they were at past bubble valuations.

Second, as Barack Obama stressed in presenting his jobs programme, there is no reason why those on GSE-guaranteed mortgages should not be able to take advantage of lower rates. From the point of view of the guarantor, lower rates are good since they reduce the risk of default. Yet, until now the GSEs have made refinancing very difficult by insisting on significant fees and requiring that any new refinancier take on all the liability for errors in underwriting the original mortgage at a cost to American households of tens of billions of dollars a year.

Third, stabilising the housing market will require doing something about the large and growing inventory of foreclosed properties. The same property sold in a foreclosure sale nets about 30 per cent less than if sold in the ordinary way and the knowledge that there is a huge overhang of foreclosed properties deters home purchases. Aggressive efforts by the GSEs to finance mass sales of foreclosed properties to those prepared to rent them out could benefit both potential renters and the housing market.

Fourth, there is the prevention of foreclosures which was the initial focus of policy efforts. The truth is it is far from clear what the right way forward is. While the Obama administration’s home affordability modification programme has been criticised for overly restrictive eligibility criteria, the reality is that a large fraction of those receiving assistance have ultimately been unable to meet even their reduced obligations. This suggests the task of helping homeowners without either damaging the financial system or simply delaying inevitable outcomes is more difficult than often supposed. Surely there is a strong case for experimentation with principal reduction strategies at the local level. The GSEs should be required to drop their posture of opposition to experimentation and move to a more constructive position.

Fifth, there were substantial abuses by financial institutions and almost everyone in the mortgage industry during the bubble. Just compensation to the victims is a legitimate objective of public policy. But allowing negotiation over the past to dominate present policy creates overhangs of uncertainty that impose huge costs on the financial system and inhibits lending. It is equally in the interests of bank shareholders and the housing market that a rapid resolution of disputes be achieved. The FHFA should strive to quickly end this uncertainty.

While the GSEs are the most important actors in the mortgage market and hence the FHFA is the most important player in housing policy, others can make a difference. Bank regulators could facilitate inevitable restructuring of underwater mortgages by requiring banks to treat second mortgages and home equity loans in realistic ways. The Federal Reserve could support demand and the housing market by again expanding purchases of mortgage-backed securities.

With a constructive approach by independent regulators, far better policies could be in place six months from now. The anticipation of a change to supportive policies could change the tone of the market even sooner. There is nothing else on the feasible political horizon that can make as large a difference in driving American economic recovery.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor and president emeritus at Harvard University. He was Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton and former director of the National Economic Council under President Barack Obama.

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Five grim and essential lessons for world leaders

November 2, 2011

Leaders of the Group of 20 big industrial and developing countries first convened almost three years ago to address the financial crisis. As now, there were deep doubts about the financial fundamentals of a major economy. As now, authorities were struggling to bring Main Street the financial stability it needed, without going too far beyond what it wanted. As now, the immediate task was to contain financial panic and the deeper challenge was to lay a foundation for renewed and inclusive prosperity.

The depression that looked possible then has been avoided but the outlook is hardly satisfactory. What can be learnt from the past three years as the G20 gathers in Cannes? The world’s leaders, especially the Europeans, will ignore the following lessons at their peril.

First, programme announcements that are vague and try to purchase stability on the cheap are more likely to exacerbate problems than to resolve them. Examples include the abortive super-SIV plan of former US Treasury secretary Hank Paulson; the first financial crisis resolution plan presented by his successor, Tim Geithner; and Europe’s successive attempts to resolve the eurozone’s crises. Where policy has succeeded – as with the original Tarp in the US, China’s stimulus measures or Switzerland’s recent effort to stabilise its currency – it has been based on clear actions exceeding the minimum necessary to stabilise the situation. This implies that only specific announcements going far beyond existing proposals will lower European spreads to the point where countries such as Italy and Spain can be seen as solvent.

Second, dubious assertions by policymakers end up undermining confidence. Like the 13th chime of a clock, policymakers who deny the obvious or claim to know the unknowable call into question all that they say. Examples include regulators’ assertions in 2008 that large banks had enough capital, claims that the US was enjoying a summer of recovery, and recent claims that Greece is not in default. Why should any investor rely on any default insurance from European authorities who heatedly deny that Greece is in default? The sooner it is recognised that the ideas advanced so far for leveraging the eurozone’s bail-out fund are incoherent, the sooner the crisis may be resolved.

Third, containing systemic financial risk is not enough to restore growth. US credit markets had largely returned to normal by the end of 2009, but because of weak demand, growth has not been sufficient to reduce unemployment. Even if Europe restores its finances, it is hard to see what will drive growth in countries pursuing austerity programmes that will cut incomes and demand. A faltering European economy will cut demand for exports and, if banks achieve higher capital ratios by shrinking, the supply of credit will contract.

Fourth, the greatest risk of sovereign credit crises comes not from profligacy but slow growth and deflation. Four years ago Spain and Ireland were seen as models of fiscal rectitude. Their problems come from a collapsing economy and financial system. For very indebted countries, a prolonged period when the rate of interest on debt far exceeds the nominal growth rate makes reducing debt to GDP ratios all but impossible. Analyses of austerity measures consistently overestimate their efficacy by neglecting their adverse effects on economic growth and inflation and hence on future tax receipts. If reasonable growth in the global economy is restored, deficit problems will be manageable. Without growth, it is likely to be impossible to ease debt burdens.

Fifth, the doctrine of expansionary fiscal contraction is an oxymoron in the current context. It is often said that determined efforts to cut deficits will boost growth. This is sometimes true. Canada in the 1990s – which started with very high interest rates, had a rapidly growing large neighbour, and let its currency depreciate – is a classic example. Now, safe interest rates are already very low; reliance on fast-growing neighbours is not viable unless big surplus countries such as China and Germany change policy; and eurozone deficit countries cannot depreciate against their main trading partners. Instead, as Britain is now demonstrating, fiscal contraction leads to economic contraction. This situation is made worse if, as in Europe at present, the central bank does not act to offset the adverse impact of austerity on demand.

These are hard lessons to heed. It would be much easier for the G20 to celebrate the recent European agreement, despite market turmoil, and vow to maintain the current global trajectory with lip service to adjustment in surplus countries. This would be a disaster. For the final lesson of the crisis is that confidence and complacency are self-denying prophecies. Only if policymakers feel the alarm appropriate to dangers as great as any the world economy has faced over the past 30 years will they take the necessary action.

The writer is a former US Treasury secretary.

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IMF must play its part in any euro solution

December 9, 2011

European leaders will meet on Thursday and Friday for yet another “historic” summit at which the fate of Europe is said to hang in the balance. Yet it is clear that this will not be the last meeting convened to deal with the financial crisis.

If public previews from France and Germany are a guide, there will be commitments to assuring fiscal discipline in Europe and establishing common crisis resolution mechanisms. There will also be much celebration of commitments made by Italy, and a strong political reaffirmation of the permanence of the monetary union. All of this is necessary and desirable, but the world economy will remain on edge.

Given that Europe is the largest single component of the global economy, the rest of the world has a stake in helping to avoid major financial accidents. It also has a stake in aiding continued growth in Europe and ensuring that the European financial system supports investment around the world – particularly as cross-border European bank lending dwarfs that of banks from any other region.

Now is also a historic juncture for the International Monetary Fund. The focus of the policy response to the crisis must now shift from Brussels and Frankfurt to the IMF’s boardroom.

From the problems of the UK and Italy in the 1970s, through the Latin American debt crisis of the 1980s to the Mexican, Asian and Russian financial crises of the 1990s, the IMF has operated by twinning the provision of liquidity with strong requirements that those involved do what is necessary to restore their financial positions to sustainability. There is ample room for debate about the precise policy choices the fund has made in the past. But, the IMF has consistently stood for the proposition that the laws of economics do not and will not give way to political considerations. At key points the IMF has offered prescriptions, not just for countries in need of borrowed funds, but also for those whose success is systemically important for the global economy.

Christine Lagarde, the head of the IMF, highlighted the seriousness of problems in Europe to members of the international financial community assembled in Jackson Hole in August. She pointed to capital shortfalls in the European banking system and the need for adjustment to be carried on in ways that were consistent with continuing growth. Now the IMF needs to speak and act on several fronts.

First, it is essential that Italy’s adjustment be carried out within the context of an IMF programme. After European authorities emphasised that Greece was fully solvent and able to service all debts in full, it is unlikely that they, acting alone, have the capacity to reassure markets. Moreover, there are profound intra-European political problems if northern Europe either does or does not impose conditions on Italy. It would be much better to outsource those traumas to the IMF.

Second, as the IMF deals with individual European countries, it needs to recognise more than it did in the past that they are embedded within a monetary system and community of nations with an increasing number of common institutions. It would be inconceivable that the IMF would lend money to a country whose central bank was not committed to an appropriate monetary policy, or that was ignoring contingent liabilities in the banking system. IMF support for any European country should be premised on understandings with the European Central Bank that controls that country’s monetary policy.

Third, when engaging with individual members of a monetary union, the IMF cannot assess the prospects of one member of the monetary union in isolation. If some countries are to enjoy reduced trade deficits, others must face reduced surpluses. If there is no clear path to reduced surpluses there is no clear path to reduced deficits and hence to solvency. More generally, the sustainability of any programme must be assessed in the context of realistic projections of the economic environment. The IMF must be careful not to approve adjustment programmes that are not realistic.

Fourth, the IMF has a responsibility to speak clearly about threats to the global economy. Even if debt spreads in Europe fall and modest growth is reattained, the global economy is threatened by the large-scale deleveraging of European banks. An improvement in the fiscal position of sovereigns will help but this is insufficient. If banks are not recapitalised on a substantial scale soon, there will be a large contraction of credit in the global economy.

After the summit attention will and should shift to the IMF. It must act boldly but no one should ever forget a fundamental lesson of all past crises. The international community can provide support but a nation or a region’s prospect for prosperity depends ultimately on its own efforts.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard and was Treasury secretary under President Bill Clinton.

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Current woes call for smart reinvention not destruction

January 8, 2012

It would have been almost unimaginable five years ago that the Financial Times would convene a series of articles on “Capitalism in Crisis”. That it has done so is a reflection both of sour public opinion and distressing results on the ground in much of the industrial world.

Americans have traditionally been the most enthusiastic champions of capitalism. Yet, a recent public opinion survey found that among the US population as a whole 50 per cent had a positive opinion of capitalism while 40 per cent did not. The disillusionment was particularly marked among young people aged 18-29, African Americans and Hispanics, those with incomes under $30,000 and self-described Democrats.

Three elections in a row in the US have been, by recent standards, bloodbaths for incumbents. In 2006 and 2008 the left did well; in 2010 the right won comprehensively. With the rise of the Tea Party on the right and the Occupy movement on the left, this suggests that far more is up for grabs than usual in this election year.

So how justified is disillusionment with market capitalism? This depends on the answer to two critical questions. Do today’s problems inhere in the present form of market capitalism or are they subject to more direct solution? Are there imaginable better alternatives?

The spread of stagnation and abnormal unemployment from Japan to the rest of the industrialised world does raise doubts about capitalism’s efficacy as a promoter of employment and rising living standards for a broad middle class. The problem is genuine. Few would confidently bet that the US or Europe will see a return to full employment, as previously defined, within the next five years. The economies of both are likely to be demand constrained for a long time.

But does this reflect an inherent flaw in capitalism or, as Keynes suggested, a “magneto” problem – like the failure of a car alternator – that can be addressed with proper fiscal and monetary policies and which will not benefit from large scale structural measures. I believe the evidence overwhelmingly supports the latter. Efforts to reform capitalism are more likely to divert from the steps needed to promote demand, than to contribute to putting people back to work. I suspect that if and when macro-economic policies are appropriately adjusted, much of the contemporary concern will fade away.

That said, serious questions about the fairness of capitalism are being raised. These are driven by sharp increases in unemployment beyond the business cycle – one in six of American men between 25 and 54 is likely to be out of work even after the economy recovers – combined with dramatic rises in the share of income going to the top 1 per cent (and even the top 0.01 per cent) of the population and declining social mobility. The problem is real and profound and seems very unlikely to correct itself untended. Unlike cyclical concerns there is no obvious solution at hand. Indeed, since even Chinese manufacturing employment appears well below the level of 15 years ago it suggests that the roots of the problem lie deep within the evolution of technology.

The agricultural economy gave way to the industrial one because progress enabled demands for food to be met by only a small fraction of the population freeing large numbers of people to work elsewhere. The same process is now under way with respect to manufacturing and a range of services, reducing employment prospects for most citizens. At the same time, just as in the early days of the industrial era the combination of substantial dislocations and greater ability to produce at scale is enabling a lucky few to acquire great fortunes.

The nature of the transformation is highlighted by the 50 fold change in the relative price of a television set of a constant quality and a day in a hospital over the last generation. While it is often observed that wages for median workers have stagnated, this obscures an important aspect of what is occurring. Measured via items such as appliances or clothing or telephone services, where productivity growth has been rapid, wages have actually risen rapidly over the last generation. The problem is that they have stagnated or fallen measured relative to the price of food, housing, healthcare, energy and education.

As fewer people are needed to meet the population’s demand for goods like appliances and clothing it is natural that more people work in producing goods like healthcare and education where outcomes are manifestly unsatisfactory. Indeed as the economist Michael Spence has documented, a process of this kind is under way: essentially all US employment growth over the last generation has come in non-traded goods.

The difficulty is that in many of these areas the traditional case for market capitalism is weaker. It is surely not an accident that in almost every society the production of healthcare and education is much more involved with the public sector than is the case with the production of manufactured goods. There is an imperative to move workers from activities like steelmaking to activities like taking care of the aged. At the same time there is the imperative of shrinking or least slowing the growth of the public sector.

This brings us to the charge that the governments of industrial market capitalist societies are bankrupt. Even as market outcomes seem increasingly unsatisfactory, budget pressures have constrained the ability of the public sector to respond. How and when – not whether – basic programmes of social protection will be cut back is now back on the table. The basic solvency of too many capitalist states seems in question.

Again the problems are very real. While I believe more than most that the US government will be able to borrow on very attractive terms for a long time, if – as I fear – private borrowing remains depressed, there is no denying that the current path of planned spending and planned revenue collection are inconsistent. And Europe is teaching us that markets can take significant fiscal problems and make them catastrophic by becoming too alarmed too rapidly.

At one level the answer here is simply to insist on more political will and courage. But at a deeper level, citizens of the industrial world who believe that they live in progressive societies are right to wonder why increasingly affluent societies need to roll back levels of social protection. Paradoxically, the answer lies in the very success of capitalism which has made the opportunity-cost of an individual teaching or nursing or administering that much more expensive.

When outcomes are unsatisfactory, as they surely are at present, there is always a debate between those who believe that the current course needs to be pursued with increased vigour and those who argue for a radical change in direction. That debate is somewhat beside the point in the case of market capitalism.

Where it has been applied it has been an enormous success. The challenge for the next generation is that success will increasingly be taken for granted and indeed will become an increasing source of frustration, for in these pinched times, its success cannot be matched outside the market’s natural domain. It is not so much the most capitalist parts of the contemporary economy but the least – those concerned with health education and social protection that are in most need of reinvention.

The writer is former US Treasury secretary and Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard.

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How to ensure stimulus today, austerity tomorrow

March 25, 2012

Economic forecasters divide into two groups. There are those who cannot know the future but think they can – and then there are those who recognise their inability to know the future. Major shifts in the economy are rarely forecast and often not fully recognised until they have been under way for some time. So judgments about the US economy have to be tentative. What can be said is that for the first time in five years a resumption of growth significantly above the economy’s potential now appears a substantial possibility. Put differently, after years when growth was more likely to surprise below expectations than above them, the risks are now very much two-sided.

As winter turned to spring in 2010 and 2011, many observers thought they detected evidence that the economy had decisively turned, only to be disappointed a few months later. Several considerations suggest that this time may be different. Employment growth has been running well ahead of population growth for some time now. The stock market level is higher and its expected volatility lower than at any time since 2007, suggesting that the uncertainty weighing on business has declined. Consumers who deferred purchases of cars and other durable goods have created pent-up demand that now seems to be emerging. At last the housing market seems to be stabilising. For years now, the rate of new families setting up households has been well below normal as more and more young people have moved in with their parents. At some point they will set out on their own, creating a virtuous circle of a stronger housing market, more “family formation” that boosts demand, further improvement in housing conditions and so on. And, assuming there is no punitive regulation, innovation in mobile information technology, social networking and newly discovered oil and natural gas seems likely to drive investment and job creation.

True, the risks of high oil prices, further problems in Europe and financial fallout from anxiety about future deficits remain salient. However, unlike the situation in 2010 and 2011, these risks are probably already priced into markets and factored into outlooks for consumer and business spending. There has already been a significant rise in oil prices. Europe’s situation is hardly resolved but is very unlikely to deteriorate as much in the next months as it did last year. And market participants report great alarm about the deficit situation. So even modestly good news in any of these areas could drive upward revisions in current forecasts.

What are the implications for macroeconomic policy? Such recovery as we are enjoying is less a reflection of the American economy’s natural resilience than of the extraordinary steps that both fiscal and monetary policy makers have taken to offset private sector deleveraging – a process that is far from complete. A convalescing patient who does not finish their course of treatment takes a grave risk. So too the most serious risk to recovery over the next few years is no longer financial strain or external shocks, but that policy will shift too quickly away from its emphasis on maintaining adequate demand, towards a concern with traditional fiscal and monetary prudence.

On even a pessimistic reading of the economy’s potential, unemployment remains 2 percentage points below normal levels, employment remains 5m jobs below potential levels and gross domestic product remains close to $1tn short of its potential. Even if the economy creates 300,000 jobs a month and grows at 4 per cent, it would take several years to restore normal conditions. So a lurch back this year towards the kind of policies that are appropriate in normal times would be quite premature.

Indeed, recent research suggests that, by slowing investment and increasing long-term employment, such policies could seriously damage the economy’s long-term performance. Brad Delong and I argued in a recent paper that premature and excessive fiscal contraction could even, by shrinking the economy, exacerbate budget problems in the long run.

How then to respond to valid concerns about fiscal sustainability, excessive credit creation and the time it may take to return to normality in a world where policy credibility is essential? The right approach is to use contingent commitments – policies that commit to action to normalise conditions, but only when certain thresholds are crossed. So, for example, it might be appropriate for the Federal Reserve to commit to maintain the current Fed Funds rate until some threshold with respect to unemployment or expected inflation is crossed. Commitments to fund infrastructure over many years might include a commitment that a financing mechanism such as a gasoline tax would be triggered when some level of employment or output growth has been achieved for a given interval. Tax reform legislation might propose that new rates be phased in at a pace that would depend on economic performance.

Contingent commitments have the virtue of giving households and businesses clarity as to how policy will play out. In areas where legislation is necessary, they can help to eliminate political uncertainty. They also allow policy makers to make a simultaneous commitment to near-term expansion and medium-term prudence – exactly what we require right now. In a volatile and uncertain world, there is always an element of contingency in policy. Recognising it explicitly is the way to provide confidence and protect credibility in a world whose future no one can gauge with precision.

The writer is former US Treasury secretary and Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard.

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Romney must release a credible budget

April 26, 2012

Political arithmetic is invariably suspect and one should always examine carefully the claims of those seeking votes. However, just as one should look at audited and unaudited financials very differently when deciding whether to invest in a company, smart observers have learnt to distinguish between the claims of political candidates and their advisers on one hand, and proposals evaluated by non-political scorekeepers such as the Congressional Budget Office on the other.

This principle has never been better illustrated than by the “budget analysis” put forward by Glenn Hubbard, an economic adviser, to Mitt Romney, the presumptive Republican nominee. In an op-ed published on Wednesday in the Wall Street Journal, he constructs a budget plan he imagines President Barack Obama might one day propose, engages in a set of his own extrapolations, then makes several assertions about it. He does not discuss Mr Obama’s actual plan or how it has been evaluated by the CBO. Nor does he defend the claims Mr Romney has made regarding his own fiscal plans.

Mr Obama has put forward a plan that would cut deficits by more than $4tn over the decade. It starts by making tough decisions on spending, bringing discretionary spending to its lowest levels since the 1960s. It includes $2.50 in spending cuts for every $1 in additional revenue. It also asks everyone to pay their fair share of taxes, repealing the tax cuts made by President George W. Bush for families making more than $250,000 and closing loopholes and shelters such as preferences for private jets, hedge fund managers, and offshore investments.

The independent CBO confirms that the plan would stabilise the debt as a share of the economy, returning us to a sustainable fiscal path. It would do that while allowing increased investments in education, research and infrastructure that are critical to stronger, shared economic growth in the years to come. By focusing on building a robust economy for the future, it expands the tax base and reduces pressures for future tax increases.

But rather than criticise this approach, Mr Hubbard ignores it – and instead chooses to invent a set of assumptions that bear no relationship to the president’s actual policies. His figures are not explained, but they apparently arbitrarily assume that the president must raise taxes to pay for spending above a level of Mr Hubbard’s choosing. This hypothetical exercise bears no resemblance to the president’s policies.

Rather than filling imaginary gaps in the president’s budget, which has been spelt out in sufficient detail to permit evaluation by independent experts, Mr Hubbard should perhaps fill in some of the many gaps in the current presentations of Mr Romney’s economic plans.

He could start with the tax plan. The Romney campaign has been very clear about what he is promising: $5tn in tax cuts on top of extending the Bush tax cuts, with those benefits heavily weighted towards the wealthiest taxpayers.

Mr Romney claims to pay for this plan by ending tax shelters, principally for the wealthy, but he has not specified a single tax break that he would close. I have been party for many years to searches for “high income tax shelters” that can feasibly be closed. There is no reputable expert in either political party who finds it remotely credible that there is anything approaching $5tn in revenues to be generated from this source.

Mr Romney has also proposed a huge increase in defence outlays, even while he says he will cut spending deeply enough to balance the budget. He has clearly explained why he will not tell voters which cuts he would make: because in past campaigns, he found that disclosing his planned budget cuts was politically damaging.

We have seen this narrative before. When Bill Clinton left office in January 2001, our country was paying down its debt on a substantial scale. I was privileged as secretary of the Treasury to be buying back federal debt. George W. Bush campaigned on a programme of tax cuts supported by economic advisers not subject to the rigours of official budget score-keeping. The results in terms of trillions of dollars of budget deficits speak for themselves.

This is a very consequential election. As we continue to recover from the largest economic crisis in generations, we still need to strengthen the job market, address large fiscal challenges and build an economy based on sustainable, shared economic growth. Voters should have a chance to choose between clear alternatives. Mr Obama has laid out a multiyear budget embodying his vision for the future, and it has been evaluated by independent experts. It is time for Mr Romney to do the same.

The writer was director of the national economic council under Barack Obama and is Charles W. Eliot professor at Harvard University.

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Look beyond interest rates to get out of the gloom

June 3, 2012

With the past week’s dismal US jobs data, signs of increasing financial strain in Europe and discouraging news from China, the proposition that the global economy is returning to a path of healthy growth looks highly implausible.

It is more likely that a pessimistic view is again taking over as falling incomes lead to falling confidence that leads to reduced spending and yet further declines in income. Financial strains hurt the real economy, especially in Europe, and reinforce existing strains. And export-dependent emerging markets suffer as the economies of the industrialised world weaken.

The question is not whether the current policy path is acceptable. The question is what should be done? To come up with a viable solution, consider the remarkable level of interest rates in much of the industrialised economies. The US government can borrow in nominal terms at about 0.5 per cent for five years, 1.5 per cent for 10 years and 2.5 per cent for 30 years. Rates are considerably lower in Germany and still lower in Japan.

Even more remarkable are the interest rates on inflation-protected bonds. In real terms, the world is prepared to pay the US more than 100 basis points to store its money for five years and more than 50 basis points for 10 years. Maturities would have to reach more than 20 years before the interest rates on indexed bonds become positive. Again, real rates are even lower in Germany and Japan. Remarkably, the UK borrowed money last week for 50 years at a real rate of 4 basis points.

These low rates even on long maturities mean that markets are offering the opportunity to lock in low long-term borrowing costs. In the US, for example, the government could commit to borrowing five-year money in five years at a nominal cost of about 2.5 per cent and at a real cost very close to zero.

What does all this say about macroeconomic policy? Many in both the US and Europe are arguing for further quantitative easing to bring down longer-term interest rates. This may be appropriate given that there is a much greater danger from policy underreacting to current economic weakness than from it overreacting.

However, one has to wonder how much investment businesses are unwilling to undertake at extraordinarily low interest rates that they would be willing to with rates reduced by yet another 25 or 50 basis points. It is also worth querying the quality of projects that businesses judge unprofitable at a -60 basis point real interest rate but choose to undertake at a still more negative real interest rate. There is also the question of whether extremely low safe real interest rates promote bubbles of various kinds.

There is also an oddity in this renewed emphasis on quantitative easing. The essential aim of such policies is to shorten the debt held by the public or issued by the consolidated public sector comprising both the government and central bank. Any rational chief financial officer in the private sector would see this as a moment to extend debt maturities and lock in low rates – exactly the opposite of what central banks are doing. In the US Treasury, for example, discussions of debt management policy have had exactly this emphasis. But the Treasury alone does not control the maturity of debt when the central bank is active in all debt markets.

So, what is to be done? Rather than focusing on lowering already epically low rates, governments that enjoy such low borrowing costs can improve their creditworthiness by borrowing more not less. They can also invest in improving their future fiscal position, even assuming that no positive demand stimulus effects are likely to materialise. At a time of negative real rates, accelerating any necessary maintenance project and issuing debt leave the state richer not poorer; this assumes that maintenance costs rise at or above the general inflation rate.
As my fellow Harvard economist Martin Feldstein has pointed out, this principle applies to accelerating replacement cycles for military supplies. Similarly, government decisions to issue debt and then buy space that is currently being leased will improve the government’s financial position. That is, as long as the interest rate on debt is less than the ratio of rents to building values, a condition almost certain to be met in a world of government borrowing rates of less than 2 per cent.

These examples are the place to begin because they involve what is in effect an arbitrage, whereby the government uses its credit to deliver essentially the same bundle of services at a lower cost. It would be amazing if there were not many public investment projects with certain equivalent real returns well above zero. Consider a $1 project that yielded even a permanent 4 cents a year in real terms increment to GDP by expanding the economy’s capacity or its ability to innovate. Depending on where it was undertaken, this project would yield at least 1 cent a year in government revenue. At any real interest rate below 1 per cent, the project pays for itself even before taking into account any Keynesian effects.

This logic suggests that countries regarded as havens that can borrow long-term at a very low cost should be rushing to take advantage of the opportunity. This is a view that should be shared by those most alarmed about looming debt crises because the greater your concern about the ability to borrow in the future, the stronger the case for borrowing for the long term today.

There is, of course, still the question of whether more borrowing will increase anxiety about a government’s creditworthiness. It should not, as long as the proceeds of borrowing are used either to reduce future spending or raise future incomes.

Any rational business leader would use a moment like this to term out its debt. Governments in the industrialised world should too.

The writer is the Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard University and a former US Treasury secretary.

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Time to act: euro collapse would define our era

June 18, 2012

Once again good news has had a half-life in the markets of less than 24 hours. Just as news of Spain’s bank bailout rallied markets and sentiment for only a few hours, a Greek election outcome as good as could have been hoped did not buoy markets for even a day. There could be no clearer evidence that the strategy of vowing that the European system will hold together, doing the minimum to address each crisis as it comes and promising to build a system that is sound in the long run has run its course.

Nor is the Group of 20 leading economies, whose leaders conclude their meeting today, likely to change anything soon. Europe’s troubled economies will demand more emphasis on growth, lower interest rates on their official debts and more transfers. The Germans will show sympathy with the aim of reform but will insist that financial integration coincide with political integration. The rest of the world will express exasperation with Europe’s failures and demand more be done. Officials blessed with more diplomatic than economic insight or courage will produce a communiqué expressing a measure of satisfaction with the steps under way, recognising the need to do more and looking forward to continued dialogue. The only good thing is that expectations are so low this will barely disappoint markets.

The truth is that Europe’s debtors and creditors are both right. The borrowers are right that austerity and internal devaluation have never been a successful growth strategy, certainly not when major trading partners are stagnating. In the few cases where fiscal consolidations have preceded growth, they have either involved stagnation relative to previous levels of income (as in Ireland and the Baltics) or buoyant demand associated with surging exports, increasing competitiveness and low borrowing costs (many euro members in the early years). The borrowers are also right to claim that even a previously healthy economy will quickly become very sick if forced to operate for several years with interest rates far above growth rates, as is the case across southern Europe. And experience clearly shows that structural reform is always harder when an economy is contracting and there is no sector to absorb those displaced by reform.

Those wary of institutionalising financial integration without serious political integration are right as well. In a sound system, those with deep pockets who act either as borrowers or as guarantors must have control over borrowing decisions. A system where I borrow and you repay is a prescription for profligacy. This is why there is now so much discussion of eurozone bonds and Europe-wide deposit insurance being linked with much deeper political integration.

But there are two problems lying behind the soft references to greater integration. The first is the question of who really has control. If decisions are genuinely to be made at eurozone level, it is far from clear that there is any majority or even plurality support for responsible policies. If the idea is that the eurozone will be modelled on the European Central Bank – a European facade behind which Teutonic policies are pushed – it is far from clear that this will or should be acceptable across the continent.

The second problem is the scale of the transfers that could be involved. A good guess would be that during the US savings and loans crisis, the American south-west received a transfer from the rest of the country equal to at least 20 per cent of its gross domestic product. Is there a real will to commit to potential transfers of this scale in Europe? Maybe all of this can be resolved but it will surely not happen quickly.

Not all problems can be solved. It is not certain that the full repayment of all currently contracted sovereign debts, sustainable growth for all, and the eurozone retaining all its current members will prove feasible. The private sector is making clear that it recognises this painful reality. Official sector planning needs to recognise it as well. Outside Europe, even as leaders hope for the best they need to plan for the worst, ensuring adequate liquidity and demand in their economies even if Europe’s situation deteriorates rapidly. The fortification of the International Monetary Fund is a start but policy makers need also to consider national policies, trade, finance and social safety nets.

But a eurozone collapse would be a disaster that might define our era. Its prospect must focus the minds of all at the G20 summit on action. Non-Europeans must persuade Europeans that the rules change when the stakes rise. The ECB’s credibility will mean little if there is no longer a common currency.

Setting the right precedent seemed far more important 24 hours before Lehman’s collapse than 24 hours after it. Now is the time for radical cuts in the rates charged by official creditors to European sovereigns; for a willingness to subordinate official debts; and for expansionary monetary policies in Europe that prevent deflation and encourage the growth that can create jobs and reduce debts. Only if the system is preserved can its future be debated.

The writer is a former US Treasury secretary and Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2012.

Land of Opportunity Can Fight Inequality

July 15, 2012

Even if the process proves protracted, the American economy will eventually recover. Yet even as cyclical issues cease to dominate the economic conversation, it is likely that inequality will move to the forefront.

There is no question that income is distributed substantially more unequally than it was a generation ago, with those at the very top gaining a greater share as even the upper middle class loses ground in relative terms. Those with less skill – especially men who in an earlier era would have worked with their hands – are losing ground not just in relative but also in absolute terms.

These issues frame an important part of the economic debate in this election year. Progressives argue that widening inequality jeopardises the legitimacy of our political and economic system. They argue that a time when the market is generating more inequality is no time to shift tax burdens from those with the highest incomes to the middle class, as has taken place in the past dozen years. And while recognising that innovators such as Apple co-founder Steve Jobs earned their billions providing great value to consumers and making substantial contributions to the US and global economies, they assert that the social value associated with the activities behind many other fortunes, especially in finance, is less apparent.

Conservatives argue that, in a world where everything is increasingly mobile, high tax rates run more risk than they once did of driving businesses and jobs overseas. They highlight the central role of entrepreneurship in advancing economic growth and note that, since most new ventures fail, the returns on successful ones have to be very large if entrepreneurship is going to flourish. They take umbrage at the suggestion there is something wrong with success on a grand scale. And they worry that policy measures taken to combat inequality directly will have perverse side effects.

Unfortunately, the points on both sides of the argument have considerable force. While I support moves to make the tax system more progressive, the reality is that inequality is likely to remain high and continue to rise, even in the face of all that can responsibly be done to increase the burden on those with high income and redistribute the proceeds. Measures such as allowing unions to organise without undue reprisals and enhancing shareholders’ role in executive pay-setting are desirable. But they are unlikely even to hold at bay the trend towards increasing inequality.

Where does this leave the public policy agenda? The global record of populist policies motivated by inequality concerns is hardly encouraging. Equally, passivity in the face of dramatic economic change is unlikely to be viable. Perhaps the focus needs to shift from inequality in outcomes, where attitudes divide sharply and there are limits to what can be done, to inequalities in opportunity. It is hard to see who could disagree with the aspiration to equalise opportunity or fail to recognise the manifest inequalities in opportunity today.

By definition, the number of children not born in to the top 1 per cent who move into the top 1 per cent must equal the number of those born into the top 1 per cent who move out of it over their lifetimes. So a serious programme to promote equal opportunity must both seek to enhance opportunity for those not in wealthy families, and to address some of the advantages enjoyed by the children of the fortunate.

The most important step that can be taken to enhance opportunity is to strengthen public education. For the past decade we have focused on ensuring no child is left behind, and this must continue. But if we are to ensure everyone has a real chance of great success, we must also ensure every child in the public system can learn as much and go as far as their talent permits. This means judging schools on measures beyond the fraction of students who exceed some minimum. The leading universities have in the past 40 years, with the encouragement and support of the federal government, made a significant effort to recruit and support students from ethnic minorities. This should continue.

But as things stand a student from a minority group who has strong admission text scores is considerably more likely to apply, and be admitted, to a leading university than a low-income student. It is time the best institutions undertook the kind of commitment to economic diversity that they have long mounted towards racial diversity. It is not realistic to expect that schools and universities dependent on charitable contributions will not be attentive to offspring of their supporters. Perhaps, though, the custom could be established that, for each “legacy slot”, room would be made for one “opportunity slot”.

What about the perpetuation of privilege? Parents always seek to help their children, and it is not realistic to think privileged parents will do any differently. But there is no reason why the estate tax should decrease relative to the economy at a time when great fortunes are increasingly dominant. Nor should tax-planning techniques that are de facto tax cuts only for those with millions of dollars of income and tens of millions in wealth continue to be legal.

These are some ideas for advancing equality of opportunity. There are many more. It is an aspiration those of every political stripe should share.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard.

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America’s state will expand whoever wins

August 19, 2012

With the selection of Paul Ryan as the Republican vice-presidential candidate, it is clear both political parties agree that the central issue in the presidential election will be the scale and scope of government involvement in the US economy. There will be disagreement over what constituted “normal” levels of spending in the past and indeed over what constitutes “spending”. But there is a widespread view in both parties that it is feasible and desirable that in the future the federal government will be no larger as a share of the overall economy than it has been historically.

Unfortunately, this aspiration is unlikely to be achieved. Even preserving the amount of government functions the US had before the financial crisis will require substantial increases in the share of the economy devoted to the public sector. This is the case for several structural reasons.

First, demographic change will greatly expand federal outlays unless politicians decide to degrade the level of protection traditionally provided to the elderly. Between Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid and other smaller programmes, about 32 per cent of the US federal budget, or about 7.7 per cent of gross domestic product, is devoted to supporting those aged over 65. The ratio of this age group to those of working age will increase from 1:4.6 to 1:2.7 over the next generation, implying a rise in federal spending of 5.6 percentage points of GDP, if no other adjustments are made. True, as Americans’ health and life expectancy improve, it may be appropriate to revise upward the assumed retirement age. However, it will be unlikely to counteract the expected 34 per cent increase over the next generation in the share of the population who will be within 15 years of estimated life expectancy.

Second, the accumulation of more debt and a return to normal interest rates will raise the share of federal spending devoted to interest payments. In 2007, before the financial crisis, federal debt held by the public was equivalent to 36.3 per cent of GDP. On a very optimistic view, where recommendations such as those of the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform (the Bowles-Simpson commission) are implemented, net debt held by the public will nearly double to 65 per cent of GDP by 2020. This implies that the federal government’s outlays to service its debt will rise from 1.7 per cent of GDP in 2007 to 3.2 per cent of GDP in 2020.

Third, increases in the price of what the federal government buys relative to what the private sector buys will inevitably increase the cost of state involvement in the economy. Since the early 1980s the price of hospital care and higher education has risen fivefold relative to the price of cars and clothing and more than 100-fold relative to the price of televisions. Similarly, the complexity and hence the cost of everything from cutting-edge scientific research to regulating banks rises faster than overall inflation. These trends reflect long-running trends in globalisation and technology. They imply that if government is to continue providing the same level of these services, government spending as a share of the economy has to rise, by at least 3 per cent of GDP.

Fourth, several methods that have been used to repress the deficit will soon be found to be unsustainable. Federal pension liabilities and the deferred maintenance of federal infrastructure are two examples.

Meanwhile, there is a steady decline in the fraction of tax returns that are audited and there is evidence of growing tax non-compliance. Both are a reflection of unsustainable cuts in spending. And on almost any reasonable view of the state’s responsibility, large increases in inequality such as those we have observed in recent years should call forth increased government activity. All of these factors suggest the likelihood of increased pressure on federal budgets over the years ahead.

There are ways in which federal spending can be reduced. Defence spending, which now represents 4.7 per cent of GDP (its average level over the past 40 years) could be reduced significantly. On the other hand, the fact that in a dangerous world our military is badly stretched by sustained deployments that are far smaller than even the first Iraq war suggests there is little ground for confidence that the Pentagon budget will be cut dramatically.

In some areas technology could greatly reduce government costs but it is important to recognise that by far the largest parts of the federal budget involve cash or in-kind transfers. These parts are far less susceptible to productivity-enhancing technologies than areas that involve the production of goods or services. There is scope for the elimination of outdated or duplicate programmes but efforts to identify waste, fraud and abuse invariably come up with only negligible savings.

For the next three months the US will debate the merits of growing versus shrinking government. But for the next three decades it will confront the reality that major structural changes in the economy will compel an increase in the public sector’s fraction of the total economy unless there is a substantial scaling down in the functions that the federal government has long performed. How government can best prepare for the pressures that will come, and how greater revenues can be mobilised without damaging the economy, are the great economic questions for the next generation.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2012.

Britain risks a lost decade unless it changes course

https://larrysummers.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/financial_times_logo1.jpgSeptember 16, 2012

It is the mark of science and perhaps rational thought to operate with a falsifiable understanding of how the world works. So it is fair to ask economists a fundamental question: what could happen that would cause you to revise your views of how the economy operates and acknowledge that the model you had been using was flawed? As a vigorous advocate of fiscal expansion as an appropriate response to a major economic slump in an economy with zero or near-zero interest rates, I have for the past several years suggested that if the British economy – with its major attempts at fiscal consolidation – were to enjoy a rapid recovery, it would force me to substantially revise my views about fiscal policy and the macroeconomy.

Unfortunately for the British economy, nothing in the past several years compels me revise my views. British economic growth post-crisis has lagged substantially behind the US and the gap is growing. British gross domestic product has not yet returned to its pre-crisis level and is more than 10 per cent below what would have been forecast from the pre-crisis trend. The cumulative output loss from this British downturn in its first five years exceeds even that experienced during the 1930s. Forecasts continue to be revised downwards, with a decade or more of Japan-style stagnation emerging as a real risk.

Whenever policy is failing to achieve its objectives, as in Britain today, there is a debate as to whether the right response is doubling down – perseverance and intensification of the existing path – or recognition of error or changed circumstances and a change in course. In Britain today such a debate rages on the aggressive fiscal consolidation that the government has made its economic centrepiece. Until and unless there is a substantial reversal on near-term fiscal consolidation, Britain’s short and long-run economic performance is likely to deteriorate.

An effective policy approach to Britain’s economic problems must start with the recognition that the principal factor holding back the British economy over both the short and medium term is the lack of demand. It is true that Britain also faces important structural issues ranging from difficulties in promoting innovation to deficiencies in the system of worker training. Still, it is apparent from the relatively low level of vacancies, the reluctance of workers to leave jobs and the pervasiveness across industries of increased unemployment that it is lack of demand that is holding the economy back. Testimony from companies on their investment plans also supports this view.

During the depression, John Maynard Keynes compared Britain’s economic woes to a “magneto” problem, referring to the fact that a car might have many infirmities but if its electrical system did not work the car would not go. If that was fixed, the car would run, even with other problems. So it is today. Moreover, to a greatly under-appreciated extent in the policy debate, short-run increases in demand and output would have medium to long-term benefits as the economy reaps the rewards of what economists call hysteresis effects. A stronger economy means more capital investment and fewer cuts to corporate research and development. It means fewer people lose their connection to good jobs and become addicted to living without work. It means that more young people get first jobs and it means more businesses choose leaders oriented to expansion rather than cost-cutting. The most important structural programme for raising Britain’s potential output in the future is raising its output today.

The objection to this view comes in many forms but it is in essence that reversing course on fiscal expansion now would undermine credibility, backfire with respect to growth by risking a spike in capital costs and risk catastrophe down the road as debts became unsustainable. This line of argument is profoundly flawed. First, the behaviour of financial markets suggests that economic weakness rather than profligacy is the main source of concern about future credit problems. Why else would the tendency be for the costs of buying credit insurance on the UK to rise when overall interest rates fall? In a similar vein, a tendency has emerged in both the UK and US for interest rates to rise and fall with stock prices, implying that it is evolving optimism and pessimism about the future, not changing views about fiscal policy driving markets. Second, the reality is that the primary determinant of fiscal health in both the US and UK over the medium term will be the rate of growth. An extra percentage point of growth maintained for five years would reduce Britain’s debt-to-GDP ratio by close to 10 percentage points whereas austerity policies that slowed growth could even backfire in the narrow sense of raising debt-to-GDP ratios and turning debt unsustainability into a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Britain must change the pace of fiscal consolidation to stand a chance of avoiding a lost decade. Rather than starving public investment, now is the time to add to confidence by making plans for structural reforms to contain the growth of public consumption spending over time. It is also time to take overdue measures to promote exports and, after years of appropriately low investment, to restart housing investment. But when demand is needed for growth and the private sector is hanging back, the first priority must be for the public sector to stop exacerbating the contraction.

The writer is Charles W. Eliot university professor at Harvard.

Copyright The Financial Times Limited 2012.

Global Leadership and Public Policy for the 21st Century

 Lawrence H. Summers Remarks, March 30, 2011

I thought what I would do, actually, is something a little different than maybe some of your speakers have done. I’m going to be very brief, and I’m happy to talk about any economic or public policy question, or question about higher education that interests anybody here. But what I thought I would do is just offer a few observations on things I have learned since the time when I was a young global leader in this program about 20 years ago, things I’ve learned from things I’ve done right, and things I’ve learned from things I’ve done wrong.

Observation one. Only a very few things will matter. One of the features of aggressive, ambitious personalities – and that’s probably what makes most of you part of this group – is that you want to touch as many things as you can. You want to have as broad an influence as you can, and you want to stick your finger in many, many different pies. In fact, it ends up being that very few things matter importantly. I served as the international affairs person for the Treasury throughout President Clinton’s first term. The only thing that really, in the end, was hugely important was that we bailed out Mexico on a large scale, at a moment when that was a historically implausible thing to do, got the money back, and rescued Mexico, so it was a substantial success.1

But all of the important decisions were taken in a six-week period. But that six week period was defining of my multi-year experience. That doesn’t mean that I could have afforded to have done nothing during the other time, but it does mean that, at that moment, all my mental energy was usefully devoted to that problem, that that needed to be a priority, that completing that task successfully was one that is of enormous importance.

It’s an observation that scholars of marketing have made about people who shop, that people will work just as hard to save 10% when they’re purchasing a tennis racket as they will to save 5% when they’re purchasing a car, even though 5% of a car is infinitely more important than 10% of a tennis racket, in financial terms.2 Figuring out what is really important, and what is ephemeral, is one of the most important things that one can do to try to succeed.

And a very good test in life to use towards that objective is to project yourself forward into the future, and to ask, will I care about this a year from now? Will I care about this three years from now? Will I care about this five years from now? And it provides a very useful perspective. Most of the time, it causes you to think that whatever you’re aggravated about at the moment isn’t very important. Every once in a while, when there’s a once-in-a-lifetime position that’s come up, that you thought you had a chance of getting and you don’t get, this type of perspective can make you feel worse rather than better. But it’s a step towards thinking more clearly, and I think it’s something that is very, very important.

The second observation that I’d make is that a pretty substantial fraction of the time, the most important decisions that you make will be the negative decisions that you make. There were several moments during the Clinton administration, when I had been there for awhile in a sub-cabinet position, when I had been through the Mexican thing, which was enormously important and exciting, or it felt so to me, when nothing of comparable importance and excitement was under way, when I was offered very attractive positions, and was sorely tempted to take them. But on balance, I felt that while I couldn’t see exactly what was going to happen, the opportunities that were likely to come with senior government service that were not likely to come again – was, on balance, the better thing.

I would not have had the opportunities I’ve had to be Secretary of the Treasury, to serve as Harvard’s President, serve as the President’s Chief Economic Advisor, if I had accepted the positions for which I was sorely tempted to take at those points during the Clinton administration. Most of the people in this room will have a lot of opportunities to do a lot of different things. It is easy to have opportunities, be excited, and say yes. It is actually harder to say no to tempting opportunities, and it is a very important part of having succeeded.

One of the things you will be struck by, if you actually study the lifetime careers of successful people, is that while they are summarized in little descriptions, if you actually look hard at their careers, there are years and years when nothing actually hugely important and consequential, that somebody would mention in an introduction or an obituary, came up. And yet, those were part of the career, and those were part of preparing for the career. And so, particularly as you go from being a young global leader to being a global leader, you have to get used to the fact that not every year’s going to be the most exciting year of your career. It can’t be that way, and not every year is going to be more exciting than the last year. And sometimes what you have to do is ride along with where you are, and it’s something that people often have difficulty doing. But it is actually integral to success.

I would say a third thing that I think is enormously important is – and is also part of the transition from being a young global leader to being a global leader – is paying attention to those who are more junior to you. You are at the stage in your career where the most important relationships you have had have been with those who are either parallel to you or those who are senior to you. Over time, that situation will change and evolve. I think of all the influence that I’ve been able to have, not an insubstantial portion of it has been through people who I was able to work with and mentor who were younger than me, people like Tim Geithner, the current Treasury Secretary, people like Sheryl Sandberg, who I think is one of your number, who is running Facebook, and others.

You are missing a chance to have important influence on the world, and you are missing a chance to secure the kinds of legacy for yourself that you want, if you are not substantially investing in the careers of people who are following behind you, as well as trying to do a very good job for those who are older and more senior than yourself.

Fourth is the last one. Know what you think, and know what you want to do, but have a clear-eyed view of it. My observation in life is that people who maximize their potential, and maximize what they’re able to contribute, are able to have a clear idea of what they want to do. They know what they think about whatever issue they’re working on, they know what the vision is for whatever product they want to create, they know what policy they want to advocate. That’s one part of it. And the other part of it is if you ask them, what are the three biggest problems with the product they’re trying to create, or what are the three biggest problems with the policy that you’re trying to advocate, they’re able to give you a strong and persuasive answer to the question. And I have learned over time that whenever anybody advises me to do X, and I say, what are the best arguments against doing X? And they say, there aren’t any good ones, it’s obvious that you should do X, then that is advice I should entirely dismiss.

And I’ve also learned over time that I am unlikely to be well helped by those who, when I say, well, what should I do now? Say, well, if I were you, what you need to do is think about X. There are a lot of things I’ve got to think about. Well, I’d consider Y. Well, you really need to take account of Z. Yeah, I got all that. But could you please tell me – here’s my telephone, here’s my computer, here’s my network of people, here’s the position I hold. What would you advise me to do? The ability to answer that question in a concrete and direct way turns out to be enormously important. And so cultivating the skill of having a view, a clear answer to the question, what is to be done, but at the same time a recognition that you can’t be certain that your answer is right, that conditions may change and they may cause your answer to be wrong, and an awareness of the uncertainties, is a very crucial part of succeeding.

I think if you look at people who are able to know what they want to do, but able to see it in an objective fashion, who are able to develop and work with a network of people who they’re able to teach to share their vision, who are able to persevere in the face of temptation, and who are able to set and maintain a priority and a focus, rather than being tempted by all the important and exciting people, those are the people who ultimately have the largest and greatest influence on the world. And so those would be my bits of advice to you.

Just to be provocative, I will in conclusion share these views. The U.S. recovery is likely to persist, not at an especially rapid rate, but it is clearly likely to persist. The European financial situation is seen as bad, and is in fact worse that it is seen as being. The Japanese earthquake will be a substantial event, but will be a less substantial event when viewed historically 10 years from now than it is viewed today. The defining story, when the history of our time is written 150 years from now, will be the rise of Asia, and how that rise plays out with the prospects for very great opportunity or for very, very great risk. That the developments that will be enormously important also will be the changes in technology. That when it has not yet been the case, but that when somebody looks back 75 years from now, changes in life science technology, in medical, in health, in medical things, in the capacity to augment human capacities, will have been as significant or more significant than changes in information technology for the way in which society functions. And that the struggle is going to be to maintain the broad legitimacy of institutions in a world where there are so many forces pulling in so many directions. Let me stop there. I’m happy to respond to anybody on anything.

M: Dr. Summers, thank you for addressing us, and for your time.

My question is about mentorship. You mentioned –

SUMMERS: You were going to introduce yourself.

M: Oh, I’m the other Sanjay Gupta. (laughter) You talked about mentorship, and this is something important even my life, and I was wondering if you could expand more on your thoughts about it, thoughts on what the proper role of a mentor is, who are some of the key mentors you’ve had in your life and how they shaped your career?

SUMMERS: The two people who had the greatest influence on my career were Marty Feldstein, a professor here who was my thesis advisor and teacher in graduate school, and showed me the how, and sort of inspired me in the broad concept that one could apply the scientific method of mathematical and analytical techniques to economic questions and policy questions in a way that was relevant for policy debate, and who showed me how one could do that by carrying on research in a way that was rigorous, but at the same time was very relevant to policy concerns.

And Bob Rubin, who I was privileged to get to know relatively early in life, but to work with closely at the Treasury Department for a number of years, from whom I learned a great deal about leadership and management. Leadership and management came sort of naturally to Bob. It didn’t come equally naturally to me. More analytic things came more naturally to me. But I wanted to learn, and so by watching what he did, trying to understand consciously things he did unconsciously, I found I was able to learn a great deal about leadership. Both liked what they did, or cared about what they did, and were generous of spirit towards others. And so being probably the most important two attributes in a mentor are a willingness to be a little bit self-conscious about what you do and what you do well, and to think about why you do the things you did, how you do the things you did, and what the reasons are for the choices that you make. And I have found in life often the need to explain something to somebody else causes me to understand better why I’m making the decisions that I’m making. So a willingness to reflect on how you’re functioning, and being of generous spirit, and not feeling competitive with those that you work with are all important.

Bob always had the view, when he was Secretary of the Treasury, that anything he didn’t need to do, he needed not to do. And so if there was a speech that needed to be given, if there was a reporter that needed to be talked to, something that somebody else could do and it would be equally effective for the department, that was better, not worse. I think many of us have a more natural tendency to suppose that we really like doing what we do, and we’re good at what we do, so we’ll do as much as we possibly can. And that’s often good in the short run, but it’s usually less healthy for an organization.

M: I’ve been with the World Bank for the past 12 years. We met in Davos. I’m Originally from China. You mentioned in the last part of your opening speech, about the rise of Asia as one of the central themes, but I actually have a question about the U.S. I think the perception out there in the international stage about the U.S. is that, in addition to a lot of very specific problems, in terms of economic problems, political problems, I think the central problem is a lack of direction. I was talking to Chairman Lou Jiwei from CIC a few months ago. He said his largest
frustration is whenever he meets with policymakers in Washington, they gave him a different story about how this country’s going to go forward. And it’s very
different from China, right?

So look at the Chinese case, a lot of problems, but there is a general consensus about where the economy is moving, in terms of domestic consumption needs to go up, in terms of coastal area economy moving inland, in terms of urbanization. There is consensus about where the country is going. The difference is how do you get – the U.S. is like, there’s no agreement. That’s really an issue, is it not? Is there – I just don’t know what’s your view. Do you think that that sort of a status quo lack of direction is going to persist because of the nature of the political system, or do you think at some point, people will rally behind some general direction? Thank you.

SUMMERS: I think it’s a thoughtful and a very deep question. I’m not sure I fully accept its premise. Its premise is that having a direction is good, and I guess if you made a list of positive adjectives and negative adjectives, aimless isn’t usually an example of a positive adjective. And that sort of makes your point.

On the other hand, having a direction, having a clearly set direction and being relatively true to your direction, is really terrific if it’s the right direction. It’s really not actually terrific if it’s the wrong direction. There are probably people here who know more about the history of entrepreneurial successes, but what is striking about the history of entrepreneurial successes is how often the companies morphed in very large ways from what was their initial concept of their mission, and I think it is one of the great strengths of the United States that it has a kind of resilience. And that resilience is related to just what Lou Jiwei was condemning – the fact that it was less of a top-down society, the fact that there’s less coherence and cohesiveness on a single direction.

John Kennedy died believing that Russia would surpass the United States economically by 1985.3 And the reason he thought that was Russia had a higher investment rate, Russia had more engineers, Russia had fewer lawyers. Russia had more of a clear national purpose and a national strategy that was tied around technology. Russia was less focused on consumer frippery, automobile model changes and the like, and was a more disciplined society with a more disciplined educational system. For those reasons, it historically had faster growth. It had a clearer sense of national direction, and it would surpass the United States.4 That was widely believed in the United States in the early 1960s.

It was – if the young global leaders had come to the Kennedy School in 1990 and they had spent 10 days here, I promise you that at least eight people would have told them that the Cold War was over and Japan and Germany had won, and the United States had lost, because those were economies committed to investment, determined to succeed, with national strategies focused on developing the industries of the future.5 And yet, the more entrepreneurial United States, where guys with sweatshirts were starting companies and stuff like that, turned out to be more effective, and the United States boomed in the ’90s and actually pulled away from those countries.6

And I think something like that is probably relevant today. That doesn’t mean that the concerns are unwarranted. It doesn’t mean that there aren’t important respects in which the United States needs to pull up its socks. But I think the desire for national direction is a somewhat problematic concept in the modern world, because it raises questions about resilience, adaptiveness, and ability to do that. In the information technology space, the French had a terrific national direction in termsof Minitel.7 Didn’t actually work out that great relative to the Internet. There was a huge movement that felt that, 20 years ago, the United States needed to be in high- definition TV, that that was really the source of direction. Didn’t really work out that great for those who pursued those investments.8

So I would be very mindful of our flaws, but I wonder whether, when somebody looks back 25 years from now, is the problem going to be that the United States did not have enough direction in 2010, or is the problem going to be that China was insufficiently adaptive to the challenges created by its own growth and by a changing world.

DRUMMOND: Jamie Drummond of the advocacy group ONE. And from the point of view of being the seniormost policymaker in your field globally, what are the characteristics – what were characteristics of most good advocacy versus bad advocacy, and are there things that you wish there were people focusing on and advocating for that you do not see, and you wish there were people stepping up and focusing on, that you think groups like us should be focusing on that we may not be?

SUMMERS: I’ll give you my answer, but I may be an unusual customer for advocacy, so I wouldn’t necessarily, if I were you, give too much weight to my opinion– so the answer I’m going to give you is entirely faithful to what I think, but I’m not 100% certain I’d follow the advice if I were you.

It’s an observation in financial markets that anything that everybody knows is already reflected in the price.9 And the only thing that moves the financial market is something that’s unexpected. Well, and the same thing is, roughly speaking, true of the recipients of advocacy. So I’m the Secretary of the Treasury, I’m the President’s economic advisor, I’m sitting in my office, and somebody comes to see me. I’ve done this for a while, and most people who are doing it have done this for a while. So the steel industry comes and explains that the steel industry is important, and favors more support for the steel industry. This is really unlikely to change anybody’s mind. It was kind of expected. Anti-poverty group comes, says there’s a lot of poverty in the world, urges more efforts to combat global poverty, says that global poverty is a big problem, and even in difficult budget environments, is so big a problem that funds ought to be found for it, but doesn’t know how to find the funds. This is not news.

And so I would say the number one attribute of effective advocacy is something that is communicated to the person being advocated to that the person being advocated to would not have expected, would not have already known, and would not have expected to learn in the 20-minute meeting. And most of the time – I was always surprised by the fraction of the people who would come to my office and wouldn’t know this rule. And I would often try – mostly it served to irritate them – but I would often try to get there. I would say, let me stipulate that. And I would do, for whatever their sphere was, the equivalent of the thing they said. I would do it in three minutes. And then I would say, so let’s stipulate all those things, and I believe very much all those things. What else can you tell me? Or what do you think we should do? Or why do you think, given the force of your argument, this isn’t already happening? And I found most people would only go back to their thing. So with respect to advocacy, if you ever want to advocate something, tell the person you’re advocating to something they didn’t know before- this is the way to be effective.

I would say that the other part of being an effective advocate is it’s about them, not about you. Good advocates come and tell the President of Harvard why it would be good for Harvard to do X, not why X is good, and therefore Harvard should be part of it. And so advocacy that is attached to the person that is being advocated for is, I think, very important. If I look at the world, I think the things that are under- advocated are the things that don’t have natural constituencies. So producers have natural constituencies, consumers don’t have natural constituencies, so there’s too little advocacy for free trade, because the beneficiaries of protection know who they are, the beneficiaries of non-protection don’t know who they are. The beneficiaries of subsidies for a particular production know who they are.

The beneficiaries of more rapid progress in basic science don’t know who they are. So I would say the category of the unadvocated are those with desirable ideas but with a diffused constituency. Precisely because it’s difficult to mobilize funds for people who don’t know who they are, it’s difficult to mobilize excitement for people who don’t know who they are. So I would think of the task of finding subjects to advocate heavily around things that don’t have a natural constituency.

F: I see four more people, is that correct? These are going to have to be our four last questions. Thank you.

LISA: I’m curious about your thoughts about radical thinking. A lot of the approach to solving problems hinges on incremental change. Yet, do you think that the world is doing – and when I say radical, I don’t mean like violently radical, I just mean taking problems and flipping them upside down- is there enough radical thinking going on in government? Is there enough radical thinking going on in business and in nonprofits? Are we sort of sticking into the buckets that we know, and if we are, what are we missing?

SUMMERS: I’m not sure I know how to answer that question, but it’s a very good question, and I’m not sure I know, Lisa, how to answer it in the abstract. I think my basic view would be that the world probably does too few experiments, and probably – but probably doesn’t do too few lurches. So what I mean by that is this- take an idea that – I don’t know how it’s actually playing out, but there’s a professor here who is interested in the idea of basically, you’re a nine-year-old, you read a book, we’ll give you $2. So basically paying people to read. You know, the idea was, paying kids $100 a year to get them to read 50 books- it seems awfully economic in a world where school budgets are $17,000, and if you can make it work, it’s really a tremendous thing. There are a million other people who thought it was offensive, undermining values of loving to learn, and so forth.

My reaction to an idea like that was, you shouldn’t decide whether it’s a good idea or a bad idea. You should do an experiment somewhere, and see whether it works or not. I personally am no fan of school vouchers. I was appalled by the Clinton administration policy of violently opposing the experiment with school vouchers in Washington DC, not because I thought school vouchers were a good idea, but I thought one should see whether radical ideas were good ones. And that since there’s disposal of bad ideas, more ideas are good, and if you do a bunch of experiments that have a one in 60 chance of working, occasionally they’ll work, and the ones that work can be spread. So I think finding ways to do more experiments with apparently flaky ideas is something we as a society should work to encourage.

Conversely, I think that things have unintended consequences, and so radical policies that people propose to implement nationwide are almost certainly bad ideas. So whenever somebody comes and says, we did one pilot in one place with 62 people, and we should extrapolate the study to have a new national jobs program, my reaction is, well, let’s try it in more cities and see what happens. So more experimentation with radical ideas, but slowness in the world moving to adopt radical ideas on a large scale, would be the kind of vision that I would favor. So it’s a more mixed story.

JAY: Hi, my name’s Jay. I’m interested in your reflections on the financial crisis, and many people believe that the banks were good at privatizing their profits and socializing their losses. And obviously, you have to stop the economy from going over the edge, but looking back, is there any way that you think the U.S. administration could have privatized a bit more of the losses somehow?

SUMMERS: Battlefield medicine’s never perfect, and there’s unintended victims in war, and there are unintended beneficiaries in bailouts. I think, in the fullness of it all, the response to the crisis was pretty well managed, which doesn’t mean there aren’t some respects in which it could be improved.

One of the systematic errors that I believe people make, and that is very frequently made in looking at governments and in looking at other large organizations, is to confuse malevolence and incompetence. I know something about the management histories of a number of the major financial institutions. If you want to accuse some of the CEOs, some of those fairly senior positions, of fairly extreme stupidity, I would not attempt to make a defense. If you want to express surprise that they could have been as oblivious to risks that their organizations were running, I wouldn’t fight you. If you expressed puzzlement that they were as telescopic in their vision, without using a wide-angle lens in a complicated world, that would not be a proposition that I would fight.

But if you think that the guys who ran Lehman Brothers, who had 90% of their stock in Lehman Brothers, somehow were taking risk because they figured that the government would bail them out, and that it would sort of be OK if they failed, I don’t believe that for a minute.10 I don’t believe it for a minute. And yeah, you can say that, were they allowed to take more risk – a better argument would be that they were allowed to take more risk than they otherwise would have because the people who lent them money lent them money to a higher leverage rate, because they thought they would be bailed out. Maybe to some limited extent.

But do I believe that the guys who built the nuclear power plant in Japan were thinking, well, there is going to be government bailouts and the government’ll take care of it if the earthquake hits? That’s a way to understand that problem, that they were just – had their incentives to be cautious dulled by the fact that the government would help take care of it after the earthquake? Or is the right way to think about it that they sort of felt impervious, and there hadn’t been an earthquake for a long time, and there probably wouldn’t be an earthquake? I think it’s much more the second.

So I personally think that it is very easy to overdo the risks, overdo the moral hazard aspects in thinking about this relative to underrating the incompetence. If you own Citigroup stock today, you could make some set of arguments that it would have been better if Citigroup shareholders had lost 100% of their money, but they did lose 96% of their money, and maybe it was an important difference between 96 and 100, but I suspect that nobody’s thinking, well, it’ll be kind of OK to kind of have another financial disaster, because the government’ll come in and bail it out.11

So I don’t think that the failure to privatize losses sufficiently is an important part of the cause of excessive risk-taking. I think there’s been enough pain and suffering that nobody’s going to knowingly take big risks for the next 25 years, and I think whatever we do now, nobody’s going to remember it 40 years from now, so we don’t have a big opportunity to address that.

Would it have been better ex post to have inflicted some more pain around the financial sector? You can make that argument. It certainly would have been fairer. It certainly would have been more just. But I guess my reaction to that is, it’s a little bit like when my wife and I bought our house. We bought our house – my wife loved the house, just loved the house “we’ve got to buy this house, Larry, there’s no question, we’ve got to buy this house.” There’s a bidding process, we’re negotiating with the seller. We bid X, the seller says yes, we get the house, and we turned to each other and said, damn it, we probably could have gotten it 5% cheaper if we had just held on longer.

It is very easy to say right now that we could have inflicted more pain and still had a successful restoration of confidence and all of that, but you really wouldn’t have wanted to take the chance of being wrong. I would rather put more emphasis on raising capital and reducing leverage to reduce the brittleness of the financial system than to put the primary emphasis on a change in the terms of bailouts.

I think that the problem with the simple intuition versus the actual reality of financial crisis is, the story is always about an individual institution that takes risks, and gets itself in trouble, and the incentives for risk-taking by an individual institution. But in fact, if you look at all the failures, none of the failures take that form. None of the failures are ever because an institution is sitting in the midst of a tranquil sea taking too much risks. It’s either because they screw up with internal controls like Drexel Burnham, and do illegal things or something like that, or it’s because the whole system has a crisis at once.12 And neither of those problems is hugely well addressed with a lot of this privatizing the losses stuff. That’s why I’m for it, but I wouldn’t put my primary emphasis on it.

M: I’m from South Africa. On the way over here I watched the movie The Social Network. I assume you’ve seen it. My question is, was its portrayal of you accurate? (laughter)

SUMMERS: I had a feeling that one might come up. (laughter) How many people have seen the movie? I’m told that the Winklevii were quoted as saying that the movie was fairly accurate, except Larry Summers was not as nice to us in person.(laughter) On the one hand, I certainly did not tell anybody to punch me in the face, and the exact dialogue is wrong. On the other hand, the Winklevii did come swaggering in with singular arrogance, and I’ve read a few times that I can be arrogant, and (laughter) if that’s true, I surely was on that occasion. (applause) (laughter) I think there was nothing it portrayed, however, that was not something that actually happened at Harvard, but I think it was rather selective in its portrayal of Harvard. And I might also say, as somebody who knows Mark Zuckerberg pretty well, he is a significantly sunnier and more pleasant figure than is suggested by that movie.

M: I have two questions. The first question is, as much as everybody’s talking around the world about the rise of Asia, and China and India, I do believe the rise of Asia could be predicated on the success of the United States. What I do worry about, in the United States, is the fact that, given the shift in manufacturing to China and India, given the shift in innovation that’s happening, and given the unemployment rates in the United States- can the United States rise again?

The second question I have is that from the success the last few years in India, there’s also a dark side to it that’s coming out right now in terms of scams and corruption, etc. I’d like to get your perspective on what you feel a country that’s in that kind of environment right now- on the one hand we’re doing very well, on the other hand, there is a bit of a dark side- what should we be doing about it?

SUMMERS: These are very good questions, and you guys are giving me a lot to think about. I’m trying to think about – here’s my guess. My guess is that if you study all countries, and you study their rise, you will discover that they sort of go through three stages. They were invisibly corrupt, but you didn’t see the corruption, it didn’t get reported in the papers, people weren’t real angry about the corruption, and it was just part of life. Then there’s a second stage, which is everybody’s really angry and upset about corruption, which is when the corruption becomes visible
and observed, and that’s when anger at corruption is at a maximum. But actually, by the time you reach that point, the peak of corruption has actually already passed by some significant margin. And then there’s a third stage, which is, there’s a relatively vigilant press, and a general relaxation of controls, and corruption goes down.

One of the things that people never talk about when they talk about corruption is, if you have a price control, then there’s a black market, and there’s a white market, and there are two different prices.13 And stuff can be moved between them, and therefore, there’s corruption. If you have capital controls, then there’s underinvoicing to move money out of the country – or overinvoicing – to move money out of the country, and then there’s corruption.14 If you don’t have price controls, and you don’t have capital controls, then you can’t have the corruption.

So I think, if you look at the development of most societies, you’ll find that there are three stages, and you’ll find that there’s the highest degree of agitation over the issue when you’re in the second stage, even though the worst of the issue was when you were in the first stage. So if I looked at how the Congress Party won elections in Nehru’s time, or in Indira Gandhi’s time, how licenses were awarded in the License Raj, what the capacity of civil servants to get privileged access to education for their kids, who had particular aspect – particular abilities to get their kids into the right schools, who was able to take money out in order to travel in India- it would take a lot of work to convince me that, in any meaningful sense, there was more corruption in India today than there was 25 years ago.

What is the answer? The answer, I think, is outrage, transparency, and removal of opportunity. And I think things are, in general, moving in that kind of direction. An important aspect of this that I don’t really fully understand, and don’t really know how much it’s moving, but where I’ve heard – less relevant to India, but is more relevant to corruption in some other context – is I think that it is considerably more difficult to be a deposed leader with a billion dollars abroad, and keep the billion dollars abroad, in 2011 than it was in 2002.15 And if that’s right, that’s not a small thing, in terms of how the world will evolve. It’s not, by the way, a completely uncomplicated thing, because if you actually want to depose bad-guy leaders, you probably do need to give them landings that are acceptable if you don’t want them to hold on absolutely until the last gasp. But that is an area where there has really been some quite important change. Again, I don’t think that’s as relevant in India as it is in some other countries.

Your other question was about the United States. Sort of for the reasons that I said in answer to somebody else’s – to your question, I think I’m more optimistic about the American future than many other people who follow it. I am less certain that wealth in the 21st century is going to reside in manufacturing prowess than many other people are. If you look in the United States right now, about 5% of the jobs are production work and manufacturing.16 The statistic that’s widely quoted is double that, but that includes all the secretaries, that includes all the people who handle advertising and finance. If you look at the number of people who are actually on factory floors producing things, you’re in the range of the fraction of people who were farmers a generation ago.17

And so – and I suspect that what’s going to happen over the next 20 years is you’re going to see some return of manufacturing to the United States, and the reason you’re going to see some return of manufacturing to the United States is that, if it’s all done by robots anyway, it doesn’t really matter whether wage rates are lower in China or India than they are in the United States. So the strategy that is based on industrialization for job creation, I don’t believe, is real. Industrialization may happen, but I’m not sure how much wealth creation is going to happen out of the industrialization that can happen.

I think that the wealth creation is going to come more from acts of creation and innovation. And I think the question is going to be how do you cause the wealth creation that comes from acts of creation to be sufficiently widely distributed, since acts of creation are likely to be – have a high fraction of them done by a relatively limited share of individuals.

F: Thank you so much, Larry. (applause)

1 David E. Sanger, “Mexico Repays Bailout by U.S. Ahead of Time,” New York Times, January 16, 1997.

2 Matt Richtel, “Even at Megastores, Hagglers Find That No Price Is Set in Stone,” New York Times, March 23, 2008.

3 Steve Forbes, “Copernican Revolution Coming to Economics,” Forbes Magazine, January 17, 2011.

4 Martin Walker, The Cold War: A History, Henry Holt & Company, Inc., 1993.

5 Harvard Business Review, January-December 1991, available at http://hbr.org/archive- toc/3911.

6 Michael Lewis, “In Defense of the Boom,” New York Times, October 27, 2002.

7 Barry James, “Beyond Minitel: France on the Internet,” New York Times, January 8, 1996.

8 Kathryn Jones, “The Media Business: Zenith Wins Competition for HDTV,” New York Times, February 17, 1994.

9 Jeremy J. Siegel, “Efficient Market Theory and the Crisis,” Wall Street Journal, October 27, 2009.

10 Heidi N. Moore, “Congress Grills Lehman Brothers’s Dick Fuld: Highlights of the Hearing,” Wall Street Journal, October 6, 2008, available at http://blogs.wsj.com/deals/2008/10/06/dick- fulds-grilling-highlights-of-the-house-committee-hearing/.

11 Julie Satow, “Citigroup Stock Sinks to An All-Time Low of 97 Cents,” Huffington Post, March 5, 2009, available at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/03/05/citigroup-stock-sinks- to_n_172167.html.

12 “Predator’s Fall: Drexel Burnham Lambert,” Time, February 26, 1990.

13 Simon Romero, “Chavez Threatens to Jail Price Control Violators,” New York Times, February 17, 2007.

14 Stephen Fidler and Jon Hilsenrath, “Countries’ Rising Use of Capital Controls Stirs Debate,” Wall Street Journal, January 29, 2011.

15 Deborah Ball, “Mubarak’s Swiss Assets Frozen,” Wall Street Journal, February 11, 2011.

16 Bureau of Labor Statistics, “Occupational Employment and Wages,” May 14, 2010.

17 United States Department of Agriculture, “The 20th Century Transformation of U.S. Agriculture and Farm Policy,” June 2005, available at http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/eib3/eib3.htm.

Lessons of Leadership

April 4, 2011
American Corporate Partners

SUMMERS:  Thank you very much, Sid, and for your determined efforts to change my drinking habits.  (laughter)

It’s good to be here. You know, in many ways, this gathering is about some of the things that are best about America.  One of the things that I’m proudest of, out of my time at Harvard as President, is that I was the first President in the Ivy League in 30 years to attend an ROTC commissioning ceremony, because I believed that, as a country, we are strong because we are free, and we are free because we are strong.

And while I don’t agree with every policy that our government pursues, I don’t agree with every aspect of the military’s policy.  While I was not a supporter of the Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell policy, it was my conviction that Harvard enjoyed the privileges of American citizenship as an institution, enjoyed the support for free speech, for free writing, for a general freedom.

And with that support, with enjoying the privileges of citizenship and responsibility, that responsibility included support to our armed forces, support for the people, with our armed forces, and that’s what this organization is about.  That’s what many of you have done.  I’m just delighted in this small way to honor your service.

Another thing that is a great strength of our country is something that de Tocqueville noticed when he came to the United States in the 1800s.  And that was the tremendous capacity of Americans to form associations for virtually every purpose, to come together, to volunteer.1 And that’s what ACP is about.  It’s not a government program.  It’s not a for-profit initiative of a corporation.

It is, what is actually one of America’s most distinctive strengths.  It is a voluntary association of citizens that want to make the country better, and don’t think that responsibility should be left only to government.  It’s doing it in its sphere.  There are thousands of – millions of – other institutions doing it in their spheres, and it’s a huge strength of our country.

I’m a Democrat.  Some of the people in my party got it wrong, but I actually think that when the first President Bush spoke of “a thousand points of light,” he was actually saying something that was very important about the strength of our country.2

So I congratulate American Corporate Partners, and I especially congratulate those who serve.

Now, I was asked to talk about some lessons of leadership.  If any of you have ever followed my career, it’s had some very good moments, it’s had some moments where I might have taken a mulligan, if I had it to do over again.  So let me try to suggest half a dozen, sort of, observations about people who have succeeded.  And I’ve observed, in people who have succeeded, by implication, it will be relatively clear how to fail, if that’s your objective.

First, know what you want to do in any position that you hold . There are a distressing number of people who – they know they want to be the Undersecretary of X, where they know they want to be the Secretary of X, or they know they want to be the CEO of Y, or the CFO of Z. And the reason they want to be it is because they believe in climbing ladders, and it’s the next rung for them.  But they don’t actually know why they want to have the job, in terms of what they want to do.

Know, in any job you’ve been in for three months, you should know when – or successful people do know, if their retirement party was being scripted from the job, what would they like to have said about the difference they had made when they were in the job.

For me, when I joined President Obama, I said in a sense that I knew that answer. Part of the answer was, I wanted to help him do whatever he wanted to do.  I was staff, after all. The other part of my answer to that question, it was to say that my daughters had just completed an American History course.  They had not heard anything about the 1982 recession, even though I thought it was a big deal.  They had not heard anything about the 1987 stock market crash, even though they – I thought it was a big deal, as an economist.  They had not heard anything about the 1907 financial panic, even though I thought it was a big deal.  But they spent six weeks studying the Depression of the 1930s and everything that followed from it.

But we would have succeeded if this economic fluctuation, this financial crisis, was not an event in history books 30 years from now – if we had managed a sufficient response that was a normal fluctuation.  Now, you can agree or you can disagree with whether that was the right objective for me to set, as the President’s economic advisor, but I had an objective.  And so I could ask myself, is what I’m doing today contributing to that objective?  If so, good for me for doing it.

Is what I’m doing not going to affect whether we have that kind of success?  Is it going to matter for whether we solve this well enough so that it doesn’t appear in history books?

For people who succeed, they may not always tell you what it is, but they know what they are trying to do in their job.  And the answer isn’t, get promoted to the next job. The answer isn’t, make a lot of money. The answer isn’t, position yourself to be hired away to do X.  The answer is, there’s something they want to do that might not have been done by somebody else if that other person was in the job.

So that’s the first attribute that I observe, a first attribute that I observe in people who succeed.

Second attribute, being trusted.   Very few people succeed on – if any – succeeds on an enduring basis if they are not trusted  by the people they work for, by the people who they work with, and by the people who work for them.  That doesn’t mean that this is like George  Washington and the cherry tree.  That doesn’t mean that no successful leader has ever said something that wasn’t precisely  true.  That doesn’t mean that no successful leader has ever done something that maybe  wouldn’t  be what you teach your 12 year old to do.  If I claimed  that, I’d be saying something that wasn’t so.

But you’ll find very few people who succeed  who aren’t trusted  to do the right thing when it was important by the people who are closest to them in their work.

It was very interesting for me to watch, work closely, for Bill Clinton over some years.  Bill Clinton  didn’t always do the right thing, with right in quotation marks. There were issues where Bill Clinton did the expedient  thing.  But when it was really important,  when it really mattered  for the future of the country, he did the right thing.  I saw it up close when Bob Rubin and I told him that in our judgment, the national  interest required a $25 billion loan to Mexico committed over a three day period.  That was, to that time, the largest American  bit of foreign  aid since the Marshall  Plan.3

His political advisors  first thought we said $25 million.   We clarified  that we had said $25 billion.  They announced that 80% of the American  people were appalled by the idea of making the loan to Mexico.4

Clinton didn’t hesitate.   He said, I’ve got only two questions. I know this might not work, he said, but I have two questions. One is, do you guys think that if we don’t make this loan there’s a real risk of something catastrophic?  We said yes.  He said, second, if we do make this loan, do you think there’s a real chance, not a certainty, that we can avert that catastrophic happening?  We said, yes.  And he said, then I couldn’t look myself in the mirror if I didn’t do this.  Yes, there’s an election coming up, and you know something?  If we make this loan and it turns out wrong, that might have consequences for the election.  But that’s as it should be in the democracy.  You make the best decisions you can, and you accept the consequences.

He didn’t do that every time he was picking a person for a job in the sub-Cabinet, or picking an ambassador.  But when it was really, really important, he did the right thing.  And that earned him a great deal of trust from everyone whom he worked with.

So, know what you want to do.  Be someone who can be trusted and relied on by the people you work with.

Third, be good to the people who work for you. I’ve hired a lot of people, been involved in advising and hiring a lot of people in my life, for a lot of different positions.  I’m a person who does not believe in ‘never look back.’  I believe the only way you make yourself look back – the only way you get smarter is to look backwards, and to actually figure out why you made a mistake.

So on a certain number of occasions when I’ve hired somebody who didn’t work out for a position, or I recommended somebody for a position who turned out not to fit in at all, I have gone back and tried to analyze what went wrong.  And I have discovered an absolute pattern.  On every occasion when it went wrong, if we had asked people who had worked for the person in a previous job, we would have figured it out.

We asked people who were his boss, and he managed upwards, and he didn’t manage – he was a great success at kissing upwards, but he was terrible managing downwards.  We sometimes asked people who worked with him, who were loyal to him.  But when it went wrong, the people who worked for the person always knew that they were lazy, always knew that they didn’t have any capacity to pay attention to detail, always knew that they cut corners.

So the people who develop people, the people who are good to the people who are working for them, are the people who have a much larger influence through time.

You know, I’m proud of several things coming out of my career.  I’m proud of some of the things that I did as Secretary of the Treasury, as President of Harvard.  But I am as proud of the fact that I had the wit to appoint a fairly obscure professor named Elena Kagan to be Dean of Harvard Law School.  I’m proud that I picked the young undergraduate that nobody knew to come work for me at the Treasury, and that woman is today the number two person at Facebook, driving that company forward.

I’m proud that there’s a young guy who was 32 who I promoted from Deputy Office Director to Undersecretary of the Treasury over my years.  His name is Tim Geithner, and he is the current Treasury Secretary.

So no rewards.  The importance of treating right the people you work with is the third attribute that I would cite for people who are successful.

Fourth, very few things in life are certain.  People who make good decisions very rarely are people who see the world as being painted in black and white, without any grey.  I learned when I worked with Bob Rubin a technique that he did occasionally to me, and I’ve done more frequently to people who work with me.

If I went to Bob and said – my responsibilities were on financial issues –  if I said to Bob, you’re Secretary of the Treasury Department.  The Treasury Department needs to tell the IMF to do X, Y, and Z, he would say, that’s what you think, Larry?  And I’d say, yeah.  And he’d say, well, Larry, what are the best three reasons not to do X, Y and Z?  And if I said, well, it’s just obvious – I mean, there’s just no reason not to do X, Y and Z, we just obviously should do X, Y and Z.  He would say, let’s have a meeting to discuss that issue in detail a week from Thursday, and let’s invite these 12 people to the meeting, just so we can have all perspectives on X, Y and Z.

If, on the other hand, I said, well, I’ve thought about X, Y and Z.  There are actually three legitimate questions about X, Y and Z.  The first legitimate question is A. But when I thought about it, on balance, I really think we’re better off doing X, Y and Z, though A is a serious issue. The second legitimate question is B.  He’d say, it sounds like you thought about that more clearly, more carefully, than I’ll ever have a chance to, so you do whatever you think is best, and I’ll support you.

And I’ve done that constantly.  People come to me with a recommendation, I normally ask them why not to do it, because I assume they know why they want to do it.  And what I want to make sure of is, that they’ve really thought through all of the aspects very carefully.

The world, the vast majority of the time, is not completely simple, and people who succeed are people who recognize its complexity.

And I guess the last attribute that I think is a feature of successful leaders, is that they’re always trying to push the edge.  They’re always – they want their mistakes to be of trying to do too much, of trying to leap too high, of having excessive ambition, rather than of being cautious.  And I think that’s an important trait.

I always thought the reason to be good at minimizing, controlling and containing risk was, it enabled you to do more.  It enabled you to bring about more change.  It enabled you to push harder, you would be able to control the risks, and would contain the problems.

So my philosophy has always been, and I think it’s a philosophy that I’ve come to in my thinking about the leaders who have been greatest, they didn’t do things just for the sake of doing them, but they didn’t set their sights low. They saw opportunity in whatever situation they found, and they thought the rest was for another day.  And they pushed the pedal to the metal for as long as there is – they were in a leadership position. And I think that’s also a feature of people who succeed in leadership positions, that they have that kind of tremendous energy and determination to do the right thing.

Robert Kennedy said, “some people ask why – I ask why not.”5 And that’s a very powerful – that was always, for me, a very powerful idea about leadership.

So, if your vision can be big, if your thought process can be careful and disciplined so that it harnesses that vision effectively, if you’re able to have it not be about you, but about the people whom you work with and who work for you, if you are able to work for them, even as they’re working for you, if trust is the coin of your realm, and if you know what you want to do, you’ll succeed in every position you hold. Thanks very much.

(applause)

The floor’s open.  By the way- yeah, go ahead.

M: Well, I have the first question, so it must have been fascinating to work for two presidents – can you compare and contrast leadership styles of President Clinton and Barack Obama?

SUMMERS:  It was a great privilege to work for both of them, and they had things in common. They were both very smart, they were both very serious when it was important about doing what was right for the country.  They both had an appreciation for the fact that there were many different points of view on issues, and that you didn’t run to judgment without hearing the many different points of view on a given issue.  Those elements were in common, but other elements were different.

When you work for Barack Obama, if a meeting was scheduled at 9:00 o’clock, it was 30% likely to start before 9:00 o’clock, and it was 60% likely to have begun by 9:15. If you had written a memo for Barack Obama before the meeting, the odds that he would have read your memo were 98%, and if he had not read your memo carefully, he would begin by apologizing for the fact that he had not read your memo.  His having read your memo, he would not appreciate your using your time at the meeting to read your memo to him, or to summarize your memo for him.

He would occasionally ask questions about something specific to kick the tires and check that you knew what you were talking about.  But once he had decided you probably did know what you were talking about, he would focus himself in a very substantial way on the kind of perspective only he could bring – how your policy on bank recapitalization fit with the broad strategy of his Presidency, and he would figure that if the question was whether you should use preferred stock or common stock, that you probably knew the answer to that better than he did, and he would not seek to delve into that matter in any detail.

And at some point in your meeting, his assistant would come in and would hand him a card, indicating that it was getting to be time for the next meeting, and the odds were a virtual certainty that you’d be out of there within five minutes of his receiving that card.

So, it was crisp, smart, disciplined, serious, in those ways.  Working with Bill Clinton was different.

Working with Bill Clinton, the odds that your meeting would have started before 9:00 o’clock were zero.  The odds that your meeting would have started by 9:15 were 50%.  The odds that he would have read your memo were one in three.  The odds that he would successfully read your memo, by turning the pages and grasping the essence in your first two minutes of talking during the meeting, were 100%.

The other side though – and this is why different leaders lead in different ways­ the other side of that lack of discipline that I described is, the odds that he would bring something substantial from his own life to the topic of your meeting were extremely high.  You know, you’re talking about bank recapitalization- well, you know, the Journal of Finance just happened to be sitting around the White House Library, and he read it.  He happened to get a memo from the Brookings Institution, and he happened to study it. He was having dinner with a few investment bankers, and they were talking.

Whatever the subject was, he had a capacity to bring knowledge and an anecdote from somewhere.  I would watch him go around the room and talk about the – talk to the members of his Cabinet, and he would talk to me about whatever it was, the economics of Japan, and I’m pretty good at this stuff, so I kind of thought I would be working from an advantage, though I was working to keep up.  Then he’d turn to Madeleine Albright, and he’d talk about Bosnia, and it sure seemed to me like he knew about it, as much about Bosnia as she did.  And then he’d turn to the Secretary of Transportation, and he’d talk about, you know, what was new in highway paving.  And he’d know as much about that as the Secretary of Transportation would.

So it was a kind of omnivorously knowledgeable leadership strategy, where he was much more heavily engaged in everything, but it came with much less discipline. So the odds, that when his assistant brought him the card that said he only had five more minutes for the meeting, the odds – the expected length that you’d be there was another 15 to 20, which had something to do with the fact that the next guy’s meeting was very, very likely to start late.

So they were both terrific to work with. They were both very smart and serious, but they were very smart and serious in somewhat different ways, both of which, I think, served to bring out the best in people, and bring out the best in people in quite different ways.

Yes?

M: You mentioned a series of people that you noticed in your past and promoted or hired, and then brought up with you and found they’re unsuccessful in the future.  So my question is from the perspective of a mentee, how do you believe it’s best to get noticed, and start a career, take those stepping – stones, and then find opportunities?

SUMMERS:  The single best – the first, second and third best way to get noticed is to do a great job.  People have a way of noticing people who do a great job, whether they work real hard at putting themselves forward, or whether they don’t.  And if you put yourself forward but you’re not actually doing a good job, not that much is going to come from it.

So I would say, that as people have interacted with me over time, I’m sure there are some who have done a really good job but were too meek about it, and so I didn’t really notice.  I’m sure that has happened.

But I would guess that for every time that’s happened, there were five people who were focused – five times, when somebody was focused on getting face time with me, when they should have just been focused on doing a good job and letting it flow after they did a good job.

So the most important answer to your question is to really try very hard to do the best job that you can.

I think the second trait I’ve found is, people who are open to criticism, and want to learn how to do it better, because that is the only way you learn.  And I’ve noticed that some of the people I find most effective, if they do a piece of work for me, and I say, thanks, you really did a good job on that, they said, you know, just for the future, I think this kind of situation is going to come up again – is there anything I could have done better?  Or is there anything that we could do better?

And, you know, just – the world, being what it is, almost everything can be done better, and so you usually learn something about how to do your job better if you ask the question.  And people who are most effective, I find, are people who are not defensive about – Julie, who Sid praised, she’s wonderful in many respects, but this was certainly illustrated for me the other day.  I was supposed to speak at my – at a gathering sort of like this, at my stepdaughter’s high school.  And my calendar said 7:30.  And I was sitting and having dinner at home when the school called at 6:50 to see where I was, because the event started at 6:45.

So we got in our car, and we rushed over, and I got there at 7:00, so we were 15 minutes late. We did the event – it went well, and I came home, and I was not so­ happy about having been 15 minutes late. So I called Julie.  Principle one, trust the people you work with if you want them to trust you.

So I said, Julie, I don’t know what happened, maybe you could figure it out just so we could learn.  They thought the event started at 6:45, and I was 15 minutes late. The only reason I was 15 minutes late was because they called me.  And she said, “gee, Larry, that’s terrible, let me look into it.”

Notice I didn’t accuse her of having goofed it up, and she didn’t say, it wasn’t my fault.  She looked it up, and sure enough, she sent the guy she had interacted with at my daughter’s high school a note with a copy to me – “Dear Bob, Larry tells me the event went very well, I’m very glad about that. I am really sorry for the confusion resulting from Larry’s being late.  Here is a copy of the e-mail from you that I used in setting Larry’s calendar, which said 7:30.  I hope this helps to explain, and if there’s something we should have done to avoid the confusion, please let me know.”

So, you know, that was 100% – turned out that it was 100% their fault, but we didn’t get mad – she didn’t get mad at them, she wasn’t defensive about it.  She wanted to learn how to do it better.  On the other hand, she wasn’t going to be walked all over.  The guy was going to see the e-mail that he had sent that had caused him to have a late speaker.

Well, the point of the story is that a lot of people in those situations would have reacted in a much more defensive way.  You just tend to learn more and get along better if you can avoid being defensive.

Yes?

F:I’m curious to know what resources that you draw from personally, what will enable you to enhance your own leadership capacity?

SUMMERS:  I mean, I try to – I try to ask for feedback a lot.  And I try to make it easy for people to tell me that I should do something differently than what I did. Then I try to respond – there’s a proverb I quote probably once a week or once every two weeks in a whole set of settings.  I say, it’s a Russian proverb, that “when three people tell you you’re drunk, go to sleep.” (laughter)

But the contexts in which I use that are when I want to do something and I get a few people’s advice, and they’re all telling me I’m crazy.  I decide I usually am, that I probably am crazy.  One of the sort of rules of leadership that I try to use, with very few exceptions, is in a setting where I’m supposed to be the leader – I figure there’s a reason why they chose me to be the leader, rather than the other people to be the leader, so I have a role.  On the other hand, if I’m right, I can probably persuade some of the people I work with that I’m right, and I don’t have to persuade everybody.  I might not even have to persuade a majority.  But if l can’t persuade anybody that I’m right, very likely I’m wrong.  And I want to choose a different technique.

So for me, the main resource is trying to be very, very open to feedback, and my errors, which are many. As somebody in a leadership position, I tend to be in too much of a hurry, I tend to be a bit too demanding, and I tend to think a little bit too much about asking challenging questions, which is good, in a way, but it means I’m providing too little positive reinforcement in many settings.

And it seems to me, the least you can do, if those are going to be your errors, is to create an environment where anybody who wants can say anything to you without being worried about what the consequences will be.

And so that’s sort of what I try to do. And I guess, a different kind of answer to your question would be, I try to ask myself, when I’m frustrated or irritated or angry or disappointed or displeased, how long from now will I care about this?  And the vast majority of the time is, the answer is, l won’t remember it next week.  I won’t care about it or remember it a week from now or a month from now. And that’s a very useful perspective to have.

And every once in a while, the answer is, well, this is really going to be fundamental, and this is going to be something that’s unusually important for and likely to have consequences for years, and then the question doesn’t make you feel better.

But I find that trying to project yourself forward and asking “for how long this will matter?” can be a very helpful, sort of device for trying to deal with situations that involve a person.

Yes?

M: We’ve got time for- sorry- one last question-

SUMMERS: I’ll take two more.  Yours and yours.

M: You made a comment that one of the things to be a leader is, you don’t really want to just be somebody that looks for the next rung. Yet, that seems to be embedded in an awful lot of cultures.  So as a leader, how have you been able – or, what are your suggestions to avoid that, to not create a culture where everyone is just looking for the next step up?

SUMMERS:  You sort of negatively reinforce it.  You work for me, you come talk to me, you ask me, you know, I’m a Dean at Harvard, how can I do a better job?  What suggestions would you make?  You’re a staff person at the NEC, you come and you say, how can we give better advice to the President?  Well, I’ve got a long time for you.  And maybe – my answer may be right or it will be wrong, but it will be carefully considered.

You come and you ask me, gosh, I’m a Deputy Assistant to the President, I’d like to be an Assistant to the President, what do you think I need to do to be an Assistant to the President?  You’re not so likely to feel positively reinforced in your conversation with me.

So I think the number one thing is, you just create a culture of what’s valued as trying to be better, not what’s valued as the consequence of trying to be better.

The second thing is, you try – and this is a very hard thing to do – you try to create a culture where you don’t reward squeaky wheels.  And that means, you know, I’ve watched universities.  There are two kinds of universities.

There’s one kind where they figure out sort of how valuable your professors are, and you pay them right, and you pay them what you want – what they should be paid.  And if they get an offer from another university, you say, gosh, I hope you’ll stay at Harvard, we really think Harvard’s a terrific place for you, and we really think you’re very fully valued, and we try to treat you as well as we can.  Certainly, I’m happy to discuss with you your future at Harvard, if you’re thinking of moving to another university, but we’ve been trying to treat you as well as we can.  That’s one approach.

Second approach is, you basically try to figure out who won’t move, and you pay them $30,000 or $40,000 a year less, and then if you turn out to be wrong, and they say, gee, I’ve got an outside offer, you push their salary up to match the outside offer.

Well, you know, you can do it the second way, and for a little while, you’ll probably save a little money by doing it the second way, but you’re likely to have an organization that’s in constant flux, because you’re basically teaching your organization to play when the ambition card gets rewarded.  And as a leader, I think it’s usually better to try to set up structures where that doesn’t happen.

Yes?

M: How do you see the changing future needs in America – in the US, and how we, as future leaders of the country, and of this country, where do you see the best way to lead, kind of go to work and help address maybe some of the shortcomings or just new areas that demand leadership?

SUMMERS: Machiavelli actually wrote a very good book on leadership.6   And a lot of what’s true Machiavelli said 500 years ago in a very different setting.  So in terms of a number of the attributes that I’ve just spoken about, leadership, I think conditions change.  Problems that have to be addressed change.  But a lot of the basic characterological aspects of leadership, I think have a fair amount of constant.

I think the other part of the answer, though, would be that there really are two big changes that I think will affect leadership styles and approaches in the United States.  The first is, you’re dealing with a much bigger and more diverse world . Whatever you’re going to lead in some part of America, the fraction of the rest of the world that is going to be important for what you do is much higher than it would have been 30 years ago. The fraction that a substantial part of what you do is going to involve dealing with people of different gender, different ethnicity and different race than yours is substantially greater than it was 30 years ago.

And so I think leadership styles have to adapt to dealing with a much wider range of people and perspectives and their comfort zones than would have been true in either- in an earlier time.

And the other difference is that the world is becoming much less hierarchical.  And people just have to adapt to it being much less hierarchical than it used to be. I see it – I’ve seen it in organizations where – the Treasury Department, for example, it used to be the case that if a Deputy Assistant Secretary wanted to communicate with the Secretary, the Deputy Assistant Secretary had to write a memo. The memo would be cleared by the Assistant Secretary.  The memo would then be cleared by the Undersecretary, and the Undersecretary would then submit the memo to the Executive Secretary, who would examine the process to check that all the people who had been consulted with should have been consulted with, and then we’d go.

And that process still exists, but in parallel, the Secretary of the Treasury now has a BlackBerry and now has e-mail, and when he wants to know something, he sends an e-mail to the person he thinks is likely to know the answer.  And if he sends the e-mail to the Deputy Assistant Secretary, he doesn’t really- if the Deputy Assistant Secretary has good sense, when the Deputy Assistant Secretary answers the question, he will cc the people who are in between in the hierarchy.  But he certainly will not wait to get their approval before he answers the question.

So e-mail is just one example of a whole set of things that are subverting hierarchy, and it’s much more based on what you know and what you can contribute, and much less just down the chain than it is traditionally.  I think those are probably the two biggest changes in the world that I see, that leaders have to adapt to.

Thanks very much for the chance to be with you.

1 Penny Singer, “A Long History of Joining Grows Longer,” New York Times, November 16, 1986.
2 David E. Sanger, “Bush Rallies Volunteers for His New Corps,” New York Times , March 13, 2002.

3 Eliot Kalter and Armando Ribas, “The 1994 Mexican Economic Crisis: The Role of Government Expenditure and Relative Prices,” International Monetary Fund, December 1999.

4 “Vindication of the Mexican Bailout,” New York Times, January 18, 1997.

5  “Robert Francis Kennedy,” Arlington National Cemetery Website, November 20, 2001, available at http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/rfk.htm.

6  Nicolle Machiavelli, The Prince, Oxford University Press, (1979).

A Conversation on New Economic Thinking

April 8, 2011
with Martin Wolf of Financial Times at Bretton Woods Conference

M:  Leaving the ghosts aside and understanding that despite the protestations of Fox News, none of you need have a heart attack, because this is only a conference among people across the spectrum talking about a whole variety of issues with no authority to impose any kind of conspiracy.  (laughter)

I think we should move now to the more – how do I say, the more serious dimension of the evening.  I do recall that Martin Wolf probably did not get a Valentine from Larry Summers (laughter) on February 14 of 2009. (laughter)  He wrote a column that said something, and I’m using my own words, not his, that “Is it too early to judge this to be a failed administration?”1

Tonight he will be in conversation with Larry Summers who undoubtedly has sat at the pinnacle of responsibility.  And whatever you might say, agree or disagree, with what’s taken place, no one has had to calibrate all of the responsibilities for the care of this nation and this planet like Larry Summers has in these last couple of years.

And in addition, as he demonstrated again today in our press conference, he has a very supple mind and imagination.  He understood and answered very, very clearly about questions of the last ten years and what kind of things have changed his mind in that context.

But I actually would say the capacity to bear the weight of that responsibility and reflect upon how economics does and does not serve that ultimate social purpose­ no one has had that position like Larry Summers had. So I very much look forward tonight to the conversation between Larry Summers and Martin Wolf.  And please join me in welcoming them.

WOLF: So, I am going to have a conversation with Larry. Larry is one of an incredibly tiny handful of people who have been both at the pinnacle of the economics profession and at the pinnacle of policy-making.  And I personally, as a journalist, actually like most journalists I think, deeply respect and admire those people who are actually prepared to take responsibility as well as criticize, which is, of course, our role. So I think that Larry is preeminent among modem economists in willing to do this.

Again, I’d like to start in the following way. Obviously most of the people here, and I’m certainly one of them, think that what happened in the crisis indicates that at the least there are some very big questions, if not some pretty obvious symptoms, of a profound failure in modern economics, and in the way we think about how the economic system works, both in macroeconomics and in finance.

So what I would like to start with, Larry, is how far you share that perspective­, how far do you feel that what has happened in the last few years, what we’ve left with, just simply suggests that economists didn’t understand what was going on?

SUMMERS:  There are things economists didn’t know. There are things economists were wrong about.  And there are things where some economists were right.

When I was in the government, I got a lot of papers in the mail.  To the first approximation, I attempted to read all the ones that used the words ‘leverage,’ ‘liquidity,’ ‘deflation’ or ‘depression.’ And I attempted to read none of the ones that used the words ‘neoclassical,’ ‘choice theoretic,’ ‘real business cycle,’ or ‘optimizing model of.’  (laughter)  There were more in the second category than there were in the first.  But there were a reasonable number in the first, and they told you a lot.

There is a lot in Badgett that is about the crisis we just went through.  There’s  more in Minksy and perhaps more still in Kindleberger.2  There are enormous amounts that are essentially distracting, confusing, and problem denying in the stuff that is the substance of the first year courses in most PhD programs.

So I  think economics knows a fair amount.  I  think economics has forgotten a fair amount that’s relevant.  And it has been distracted by an enormous amount.

I don ‘t think the general macroeconomics kept up with the revolution in finance as it was realized that asset prices show large volatility that don’t reflect anything about fundamentals.3   I don’t  think contemporary macroeconomics adjusted or adapted to changes in the patterns of financial intermediation and the ways in which that took place.

I think people who were practical understood concepts of liquidity finding its way into price inflation or into asset price inflation and being problematic either way. But I think those concepts of liquidity into asset price inflation were at the very edge of, and in many cases not even at the edge, of contemporary macroeconomics to the great detriment of contemporary macroeconomics.

On the other hand, it’s common in a moment like this to go into a general bash on economics.  And everyone who hates economics because they don ‘t like markets in any context, or because they don ‘t do math and so if you do a subject with math you just have a bias towards believing that math is useless.  Everyone who doesn’t like economics has piled on at this moment to regard this crisis as a repudiation of economics, and I don’t  think that’s right.  I think the wisdom that’s in the Badgett, Minsky, Kindleberger, Eichengreen, Akerlof, Shiller, many, many others actually runs way ahead of those who mostly bring negative attitudes about economics.4 And I think that we make a serious mistake if we throw the baby out with the bathwater here.

WOLF: I’m going to come back to babies and bathwater in a few moments.  But let’s just push this a bit further, because you came very close, it seemed to me, to saying that modern academic economics as taught in graduate schools, along with vast parts of the research work that goes with it, was as it were, an organized and systematic system.  I’m not saying a conspiracy, but a systematic system for forgetting what economists actually knew.  Is that what you’re saying?  (laughter)

SUMMERS:  It would be interesting-

WOLF: They want all this.

SUMMERS:  It would be interesting, actually, to look at surveys.

I was heavily influenced, as I did whatever it was I did, by the basic Keynesian ISLM framework as augmented to take account of the liquidity trap.5   I was heavily influenced by a variety of the kinds of writings of Jim Tobin about financial intermediation, in particular about debt deflation and the prospect instability.6   I was substantially influenced by work on bank runs, multiple equilibria, and the theory of bank runs that is more recent.

I was influenced by a good deal of what modern finance understands about bankruptcy and restructuring as we thought about treating the banks, and as we thought about treating the automobile companies.

I  would have to say that the vast edifice in both its new Keynesian variety and its new classical variety of attempting to place micro foundations under macroeconomics was not something that informed the policy making process in any important way.

Now to be fair, I have heard it said that if you actually wanted to know where a planet was, the Talmudic astronomical system did better than the Copernican astronomical system for 50 years after the world moved to Copernicus.7

So a variety of that research may find its day and may find its moment, but it wasn’t a moment that had enormous influence during this crisis.  And it is my impression that it would be quite easy to graduate with a PhD in economics from many prominent economics departments in this country with only the most vague notion of what the liquidity trap is, while at the same time being familiar with a substantial amount of subtly surrounding dynamic stochastic general equilibrium. And that later subtly did not inform our policy making process.

And having read the policy prescriptions of those attached to dynamic stochastic general equilibrium, I’m not led to think that the world would have been in a better place had their laissez-faire recommendations been pursued.

WOLF: I remember the, I think one very, very famous Nobel prize laureate in macroeconomics said that one of his great achievements was to eliminate the name of Keynes from all textbooks on macroeconomics. Obviously you don’t share this view.

But let’s just push a little further on what’s going on.  I mean did this happen, in your view, because economists at the top of the profession were seduced by the idea of elegance, formal elegance and completeness of the theoretical model?  Or was it actually something deeply more ideological at work – political ideology at work?  What was the sociology, if you like?  What was driving this?

SUMMERS:  I don’t know completely.  I think it’s a – I think there are three aspects.

The first aspect is that after a 30 year period of very substantial stability it is not insane that people would be led to think about models that would predict stability as being the ones that were currently – as currently operative.  So I think a first aspect was the substantially subdued business cycle that took place for the last 30 years – following on what was a Keynesian disaster.9 Following on the crude application of totally demand oriented policies that had produced an inflationary disaster.

So I think you had an unfortunate backlash from crude Keynesism, and as often happens with pendulums, it swung too far in the other direction supported by the 30 years of relative stability.

I think that was reinforced in significant part by the attempts at science and­ there was a tendency to study issues which were more tractable rather than to study issues that were less tractable.  And the set of issues having to do with volatility and asset markets, having to do with multiple equilibria arising from bank run type phenomena are in a variety of ways less tractable.  And scientists study things that they find tractable and that is some of the tendency.

And I think in economics we are moving there, but we have not evolved nearly as far as we have in other fields in separating people who do different things.  There was a time when the physicists and the people who built bridges were the same people, that but has not been the case for a very long time.  And it wouldn’t occur to anybody to go to one of the world’s great theoretical physicists to get advice on how to build an airplane.  And we’re not quite there in economics, although we’re much closer to that point than we would have been many years ago.

And so those at the cutting edge of theory and of practice know that division has taken place less than it has in other areas of science.  And I think that also contributes to this tendency.

WOLF: What you’re essentially suggesting there is that our universities, if you think of engineering and physics, should have completely separate departments of what I would think of as useful economics and stuff that people play with.  (laughter)  I’m being provocative, I know.

SUMMERS: You are being…

WOLF: That’s my job.

SUMMERS:  You are being provocative, and I have on occasion been drawn to ideas of the kind that you suggest.  I had a knack for ideas that really appealed to the faculty.  (laughter)

WOLF:  Yes.  You can try again.

SUMMERS:  No, no, I’m one of the very few people who went to Washington to get out of politics. (laughter)

I think, Martin, it’s – I’m the guy who once wrote a paper called The Scientific Illusion in Empirical Macroeconomics.10  And I have been a very harsh critic of a lot of this stuff.  But I do take seriously the observation I made about the Talmudic astronomical system and the Copernican system.  And we don ‘t know where things are going to go.

So I think it’s a mistake to be – I think it’s a mistake as a policy maker to be guided by research that seems irrelevant to the problem.  But equally, I think it’s a mistake as an observer of intellectual life to be overly confident about what types of directions are going to prove fruitful over time.

When I was an undergraduate it was generally believed, outside of a relatively limited number of economists, that carbon taxes were cap and trade and were deeply immoral because they represent – because polluting was immoral, and they represented a license to pollute.11

So I think we need to be careful about – we need to be prudent about applying research.  But we also need to be cautious about attacking research.

WOLF: That’s a – those are very simple and powerful basic economic ideas – in light of the crisis and what you found useful, the sort of writing, and thinking you’ve found useful as a policy maker in analyzing and doing macro policy, where do you feel that researchers are moving towards or should move towards? Also, in light of your experience as a policy maker, where would you like to know more, where would you like to see more penetrating analysis?  What are the questions that concern you in macroeconomics, which you feel at the moment we just aren’t addressing properly?

SUMMERS:  The general equilibrium aspects of financial intermediation and the regulation of the financial sector. We know a lot about an individual bank’s incentive to take risks, versus not to take risks, moral hazard all of that.  How that integrates up to the entire financial system is a matter where from Bill White’s writings,12 others, it’s not that we don’t  know anything, but we don’t  know nearly as much as I would have liked.

What is the nature of the dynamic and the reasons for its change in the relationship between employment and output?  Where we had a set of relationships that seemed quite regular between employment and output, the behavior has really now been quite different in the United States in several recessions, the behavior has really been quite remarkable in Germany with huge changes in output and no changes in employment.13  How is one to think about the relationship between employment and output?   I don’t think economists know nearly what they should  know about that.

How to think best about aspects around  liquidity and confidence is a question  that actually  goes to deep aspects of economic theory around coordination. And I don’t think we understand that as well as I would like us to.

I also don’t think, and I think this is a very- actually a different  kind of answer, and is a little away from macroeconomics- I don’t think we have serious  situationally adapted  ways of thinking about the public choice aspects of regulation,  and the conduct  of discretionary monetary  policy.

We have a bunch of people who kind of assume that the regulators are smart and that the private sector is greedy and that they’ll figure things out right.  And that we have a bunch of people who assume that the private – that the government always gets co-opted and the regulators always end up working for the regulated.14  And we have sort of a dialog of the deaf  between them.

And the truth is the regulators haven’t done a terrific job.  The truth is we have a broad social problem that covers everything from finance, 15 to deep sea drilling,16 to nuclear, 17 and that in all kinds of areas that are technical and hugely  important  to society there’s roughly nobody who knows about them who doesn’t have some set of deep interest in them.  And that creates all kinds of questions of legitimacy and knowledge.  So we don’t really want legislation  by the co-opted. But we also don’t really want regulation by the ignorant.   And there’s hardly anybody who is both knowledgeable and un-co-opted.

And how we think about the design of regulatory institutions to address those structures – I think we economists have a tendency to spend too much time on whether the Basile system  should say 7% or 7.8% and not enough time thinking about how over many years as accounting  conventions have to be set – as there are all kinds of interactions between the regulated and the regulator,  how the system will adopt in terms of incentives of all the actors is important.

The public choice school has taken that very seriously, 18 but they have driven it relentlessly towards nihilism in a way that isn’t actually helpful for those charged with designing regulatory institutions. But their recognition that regulators who are people that have incentives too is, I think, a very important one.  And so that would be an additional area that I would highlight to research.

WOLF: I want – let me – I’d like to go a bit further into the financial area anyway, because that’s the other side of what’s happened. And obviously going back to the work of Keynes and further, the integration of finance and macroeconomics, they’re pretty well the same thing, they’re incredibly closely tied.

OK, we have had a huge development of financial economics of the last 40 years. Very many different kinds in, of course, in option theory and efficient market theory and all that stuff. And another set of ideas of rate of symmetric information, principal agent, the bank run stuff.

From a policy-making and analysis point, analytical point of view, as a policy maker, what of all that stuff do you think is actually useful?  And what of all that stuff is just a trap?  Given that it’s clear, everybody agreed, we don’t  really understand how the financial system operates as a whole – I’ll come to that in a moment – but just with all these bits, where do you find enlightenment and where don ‘t you?

SUMMERS:  Well, there are two different aspects of it. There’s a question, which is insofar as this development of financial thought has driven financial innovation, there’s a debate to be had about the extent to which the financial innovation has been stabilizing or destabilizing.  And that’s an important set of questions.

I have tended to be more cautious than many about condemning financial innovation, not because it’s unassociated with all sorts of problems – but because my observation has been, over time, that if I look for example at the Japanese financial crisis,19 or I look for example at the Nordic financial crisis,20 to take the two examples preceding this one that were biggest in the industrial world, both of which were actually far more costly for their countries than this one looks likely to be –  both really involved, overwhelmingly, bank lending to real estate?  And that is what the Irish crisis involves,22 while the Greek crisis is mostly about an excessive budget deficit.23

Most financial crises do not seem to have their roots in newfangled financial institutions and newfangled financial instruments. So I am in less of a hurry to condemn the innovation as the cause of the crisis than many.

In terms of understanding the crisis, I think the sets of ideas around the principal/agent problem and the sets of ideas around bank runs and multiple equilibrium phenomenon have been very powerful.  I think of the discipline of the efficient market hypothesis not as a description of how to think about asset prices, but as a question to ask oneself – does one’s view of the world that one’s expressing imply that there’s an effortless obvious profit opportunity?  And if one does, then maybe one should think about the view of the world one just expressed.  I think that is actually a useful and important idea, to take a contemporary application.  I’m struck by the number of people who think – I’m exaggerating slightly – the day quantitative easing ends, there’s going to be a major jump in the bond market because the federal government’s no longer going to be buying there. 24  Whereas some acquaintance with efficient market type notions would lead one to be rather skeptical of that idea to one’s  benefit.

So I think all of these things have increased our understanding of how the market operates.  And I think one does have to be struck – and there are many different ways to interpret this – but there has been a market outside the academic world in large scale for those who have been involved in developing these various modes of financial thinking.  There has not been a comparable market for those who have been developing some of the newer ideas in, for example, the new classical macroeconomics.  That says something about their practicality, perhaps.

WOLF: Let- I’m going to be provocative again.  So let’s (laughter) – one of the points…

SUMMERS:  I’ve learned over time, Martin, that trying to be provocative can be problematic.  But go right ahead.  (laughter) Better you be provocative than that you get me to be provocative.  (laughter)

WOLF: The difference is that it’s my profession.  (laughter)

Anyway, the question I had is you just said, which I think is very powerful, we understand bits of this system, but we don’t  really understand very well – we don’t know how to control the whole financial – the financial system as a whole.  We know, we’ve had a very long experience of that, and been reminded of this over the last 30 years, that when the financial system goes wrong, very large crises can ensue.  Very costly ones.

You rightly observed that by those standards the US economic crisis, by these standards of the last years was even relatively mild. But by some estimates there have been 125 banking crises. And some of them have cost, just in fiscal costs, 50% of GPD, that’s going to be the average figures, leaving aside the macroeconomics.

Wouldn’t a reasonable non-economist conclude from that one, here we have this fantastically dangerous engine which we don’t fully understand, therefore the obvious conclusion is that you just cannot risk deregulating it?  It has to be under government control very tightly all the time.  How would you tell a layperson that that’s not a reasonable response?

SUMMERS:  Well, in some ways it probably is a reasonable response.  And the last time – this is an overstatement – but this was why Harry Dexter White was a communist.25   This is why there were very large numbers of thoughtful people who were communists in the 1930s, because they looked and they saw that just letting the market rip had ended in disaster. And they convinced themselves that having, not just the financial system, but the processes of production be controlled and planned as they were in the Soviet Union, that had not suffered a similar unemployment problem26 would produce a better outcome.  And that did not prove to be conspicuously successful.

So I think the question one has to ask is, there are going to be decisions that are going to be made by people, and the people are going to have incentives, and they’re going to follow their incentives.  And you want to get an outcome that is stable.  And you have to ask, what is meant by saying that you’re going to have the financial system completely regulated and controlled by government?

In some sense we had that system in the Soviet Union and it collapsed .  We had that system with respect to exchange rates in the 1950s and 1960s.27   We didn’t move away from the Bretton Woods system because a bunch of economists got in a room and convinced everybody that fixed exchange rates were a bad idea, capital mobility was a good idea, and so we needed to shift monetary systems from a system that was working well.

We shifted from the Bretton Woods system  because the Bretton  Woods system collapsed, because the internal contradictions within  it, even as people tried to paper it over, didn’t work.28

Now if you ask, “in general has the world  had too much leverage, or has the world had too little leverage?,” I think the case is overwhelming that it has had too little, ­ too much, excuse me. (laughter)   I think the case is overwhelming that it has had too much leverage.  That the externality associated with taking on increased leverage has been under-internalized, that capital  requirements in various ways should  be systematically increased.

There are a lot of ways to lend money in a modern economy with integrated production. And so controlling leverage is a complicated thing and it takes a lot of thought as to how best to do it.  But it is absolutely right.  And every time I’ve spoken to a financial audience for the last two years, I’ve gone through some version of saying that we had the 1987 stock market crash,29 the S&L crisis, Mexico,30 Asia,31 Russia,32 LTCM,33 the internet bubble,34 Enron,35 and now this. One crisis every three years from a system that is supposed to minimize, diversify and spread risk has in fact been a source of risk that’s led hundreds of thousands of people each time to lose jobs through  no fault of their own.

So I think it’s absolutely right to be deeply worried about the outcomes that are produced. I think it is less right to assume that anger and dissatisfaction with the financial system constitutes a policy or constitutes – provides a very clear blueprint as to the directions and the ways in which it is best reformed to promote stability.

For my money, the best judgments that we have right now, and obviously there are ways it could be improved, are those embodied in Dodd-Frank.  If you are big enough that – big enough and systemic enough that your failure is a major event, you are big enough and systemic enough that it should be one institution that’s competent with technical things, whose job it is to regulate you.36   There needs to be procedures for resolving and managing the failure of any kind of financial institution.  Not simply banks.

There needs to be a systematic and across the board effort to make levels of leverage lower and levels of capital higher so as to make the system safe from the greed and cupidity that will eventually happen.  I think these kinds of principals we know.  But if you say the financial institutions with which the US government was most heavily involved were Fannie Mae and Freddie Mack, which arguably were the site of the greatest degree of irresponsibility, it is alarming.37

It was commonly argued in the 1960s and 1970s that a great thing about socialism and communism was that if the government ran the factories then the externality of pollution would be completely internalized.38   And that if you could just have the government run the factories, then the externality would be well managed and you’d avoid having the kind of degradation that you had when people ran them purely for profit.

That didn’t prove to be a good theory of public ownership.  And so I think one has to think very hard about alternatives.  I think the type of approaches that the world’s groping towards, while very imperfect, are in the right direction.

WOLF: Just one final question in this area.  We’ve had a debate in our pages which is very much interested me between Alan Greenspan and Barney Frank.  Alan Greenspan has said it’s a complete waste of time, because regulation will always fail.  And Barney Frank said – responded by saying, well, do you really think that after this crisis you can do nothing?  And it seemed to me Barney Frank has a pretty powerful argument.

But let me just –

SUMMERS: I agree with you.

WOLF: Let’s  follow up –

SUMMERS:  That’s  why I talked about the different- talked about the particular steps that I just talked about.

WOLF: Let ‘s talk specific – let us imagine – we have this – you build the Dodd-Frank act, 1 suppose, we’ve had bars on all the rest of us.  Let us suppose in the current, very concentrated financial system, we’ve had a wave – financial institutions usually get into problems at the same time.  We know that’s one of the features of the system.

Wouldn’t you, in fact, in this country and all the other countries, have to rescue all the big financial institutions again? Do you feel confident that that structure of too big to fail, and everything going with it, has actually in any deep way changed?

SUMMERS: I don’t think any country, any modern industrialized country is likely to allow a complete implosion of its financial system.  I don’t think that’s very likely.  I don’t think you’re ever going to see that.

I don’t think that’s got anything much to do with whether you have a lot of big banks or you have a larger number of small banks each doing what the big banks were.  I don’t  think that’s fundamentally about whether you have banks or whether you have money market mutual funds, or whether you have lending taking place through the capital markets and you have a – you have potential collapses.

So I think that there is a sense in which poorly run institutions need to be punished, will be punished, are better able to be punished after this.  Once every fifty-year disasters, I think are likely to be met with policy, I hope, will be met with policy responses.

The heyday of the line of thought you’re advocating was-

WOLF: I’m asking a question.

SUMMERS:  The heyday of the line of thought that is implicit in your question (laughter) was the 20 hours surrounding Lehman’s demise.  And it didn’t work very well.  Lehman, to remind you, was less than 2% of the U.S.  financial system and would not have been too big to fail on anybody’s theory of too big to fail.39 It didn’t violate any of the scope restrictions that anybody has suggested.

So I think we do have to reckon with the fact that there are these systematic connections that we will need to address very hard: questions about monetary policy in the formation of bubbles; questions of exploring multiple instruments that address levels of interest rates and levels of leverage.  But it is no more realistic for governments to say that in the presence of systemic failure, financial failure, they’re not going to take extraordinary steps, than it is to say that in the presence of kidnapping they’re never ever going to pay ransom.

WOLF: Now I’ve intended to ask a question at this stage, but I’ve run out of time. And the question was going to be should there be a second Bretton Woods, but I actually suspect that I know the answer.  But if any of you wants to ask this question, you ‘re welcome to do so.  (laughter)

I’m going to turn this over to the audience.  I’m going to get about three questions. They should be questions, not long speeches or diatribes.  That’s for other occasions over the weekend.  And you would just say who you are, address your question.  I’ll take three together and we’ll go from there.

COLANDER: Dave Colander, Middlebury College.  Wondering in terms of the training of economists, how could that training be changed to better sort of fit, sort of the example that you’re suggesting? In other words, there are two types of economics? One would be scientific.

WOLF:  We’ve got it. OK.  Another one,  someone in the back. Is there anybody near in the back who can stand up?

SINGH:  My name is Ajit Singh from Cambridge.  I have a question from both-

F:    Louder.

SINGH:  I have Parkinson’s Disease, so I’m a little bit – my voice is a bit weak.

The question which I have is that the – if you look at the results of the financial system, which up to now you find that the world economy was expanding at a faster rate than ever before during the last ten years.  The rate of growth of developing countries has been faster than developed countries.

The question is whether in light of these facts, which are faster expansion of the developing countries versus developed countries, the incredible performance of India and China, in light of these facts, would you say that there is something to be said for the previous accountings of the previous financial system, that it’s not a total write off?

The reason I say this is because if these facts are not appreciated, then you’re likely to run the risk of reforming the financial system in a way that doesn’t take into account the needs of the developing countries.

WOLF: I think we get it.  Let’s go to the question – I think the question really here is – I get it anyway, I hope I do, that there’s a real danger of throwing away babies and bathwater, coming back to that.  We’ve had enormous success, and have had enormous success in the world economy over the last 10, 15 years, particularly in developing countries.  Has the financial sector played – financial markets played an important role in this?  To what do you attribute that?  And is there a danger as we reform that we lose some of this?  That’s my understanding of this question.

SUMMERS:  I think there are two parts to that question.  I’m probably more sympathetic to financial innovation than the average person in this room.  But I would not want to make the argument that financial innovation has been an important – financial innovation in terms of derivatives and in terms of the development of all of that has been an important contributor to China and India’s success.

I think there’s a different question, which may have been what the very thoughtful questioner had in mind.  Which is to what extent did the managed export-oriented exchange rate contribute to enjoying a period of remarkable growth, and whether international monetary reform, that in the name of symmetry, reduced the ability of developing countries to, at an early stage of the convergence process, use a depressed real exchange rate, as a tool of industrialization, be in some way problematic?40   And I think that’s a very – I think that is a very fair and legitimate question.

I think you do need to recognize that it is going to be harder for countries with over a billion people to operate on that basis as they enter their third decade of 10% growth than it may have been for Europe or Japan to operate on that basis in the 1950s and 1960s, just given the political imperatives in the industrialized world.  But I think it’s a very real and legitimate issue that does need to be considered.

My own suspicion is that there may turn out, over the intermediate run, to be a little less in this whole debate than many people think, because I think that China is reaping the consequence of its exchange rate management in terms of higher inflation rather more rapidly than many people would have expected a year ago.  And therefore, China is finding itself with less ability to control its real exchange rate than many might have expected some time ago.  But I think it’s a very legitimate issue.

WOLF: On the training point.

SUMMERS: I think that – I think there’s a very fine sort of judgment that teachers always have to make – which is to what extent they teach students what they’re interested in and what they find most exciting and what they experience as the cutting edge of their research and to what extent they need to present a broad range of perspectives to students.

For my taste, PhD instruction in economics is a bit tilted towards the former at the expense of the latter.  And that’s why a lot of stuff that I was taught when I was in graduate school, and that I found enormously useful over the last several years, has passed out of the curriculum.  And l think with some real cost.

But I’m also sort of aware that when I was 30, I didn’t have all that much time for what the old guys thought the new generation of students needed to learn.  And now I’m one of the old guys, so I sort of have some hesitation about pushing my views with excessive vigor. (laughter)

WOLF: This is uncharacteristic modesty. (laughter)

SUMMERS:  Maturity we call it. (laughter)

WOLF:  Yes, I  know the feeling.  It’s what happens when you hit 60.

Anybody- I would like – somebody right in the back there, yes, please. Could you say who you are?

SMITH: Eve Smith.  One of your closing remarks regarded the fact that we in advanced economies, and to an increased extent in developing economies, accept the notion that we don’t let financial systems fail.  And in fact I would go – the evidence suggests it goes further than that.  In the crisis, substantial support has been extended to financial systems beyond that of any other private sector actors.  For example, military contractors don’t even – don’t get the same support that financial sector actors do.

My question, then, is what is the case for not treating financial sector actors as utilities?

WOLF: OK, that’s a good- we’ll get to that.  One more question, and I think we’ve still got seven minutes, I’m told according to this wonderful clock in front of me. Gentleman there. Yes, you, please. Could you stand up and then no doubt a microphone will arrive.  Or not.  (laughter)  Yes, a microphone will arrive. Thanks.

KATZ: Thank you. Louis Katz from the World Bank. I’d like to ask another exchange rate question.  Given the experience of the last 12 years or so, if you had to think about another rescue of an emerging market that had external prices, would you give the same kind of advice with – as regards what to do with the exchange rate as was done in the 1990s? Or would you have more sympathy for propping up the exchange rate as was done 15 years ago?

SUMMERS: As was done where?

KATZ: In the emerging markets crisis that took place in the 1990s, like in Asia and Russia and others.

WOLF: Collapse exchange rate or prop them up?  I think that was the potential question. Looking at the Euro crisis I think this is a no-brainer. (laughter)  I will be – I shouldn’t – I’m not supposed to answer.

So the first question is should we regard the financial sector as simply a humble utility and regulate and presumably pay its executives accordingly?  Or (laughter) ­ should we continue to support it as though it was a utility and pay it as though it was a…

SUMMERS:  Let me take both questions and let me take them, if I could Martin, in the opposite order.

Look, this is a question that I’ve been asked a lot, and I don’t think it’s fair as I’m not objective. The question is usually – is frequently put, that it was the United States and the IMF that urged austerity on Thailand, Korea and Indonesia and then when the United States had a financial crisis it urged the opposite of austerity.41 Isn’t that hypocritical and doesn’t it prove that you were wrong then?

My reaction to that has always been that the medicine depends on the disease.  And that it is very different to have the disease, which is that no one from the rest of the world wants to lend you any money anymore, and therefore your currency is collapsing than to have the disease the asset prices in your country are collapsing.  And people are bringing money back to your country because they think their money is safer there.  And that the crisis that was much more analogous to the U.S. crisis than the crisis in Thailand, Korea or Indonesia was the crisis that Japan had in the early 1990s.42   And for better or for worse the American advice with respect to that crisis was strongly expansionary fiscal policy, and was strongly expansionary monetary policy.43   And so I think that approach is consistent.

And I think the idea that when your currency is in the process of collapsing that somehow printing more of it, or selling more financial instruments in it, is somehow going to be availing with respect the currency, I thought at the time was somewhat implausible, and I think right now is somewhat implausible.

Now that’s not to defend every action the IMF took with respect to fiscal policy in the ’90s.  I think there were some very important excesses in the beginning of some of the programs.

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2 Hyman P. Minsky, Stabilizing an Unstable Economy (1986); Charles P. Kindleberger, Manias, Panics, and Crashes: A History of Financial Crisis (1978).

3 “Treasury Secretary Announces Broad Review of U.S. Markets,” New York Times, June 28, 2007, available at http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/28/business/28paulson.html?pagewanted=print.

4 Robert Shiller, “The Mortgages of the Future,” New York Times, September 20, 2008; Barry Eichengreen, “Why the Dollar’s Reign Is Near an End,” Wall Street Journal, March 2, 2011.

5 Paul Krugman, “The Humbling of the Fed,” New York Times, September 22, 2008, available at http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/the-humbling-of-the-fed­ wonk.ishl?gwh=D40866FIF8A7AAD57DBBC03BB7AESBBS.

6 James Tobin, Essays in Economics, Volume 1: Macroeconomics (1987).

7 John McClintock and James Strong, Cyclopaedia of Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature (1879).

8 David Leonhardt, “Worries That the Good Times Were Mostly a Mirage,” New York Times, January 23, 2008.

9 Id.

10 Lawrence Summers, “The Scientific Illusion in Empirical Macroeconomics,” Scandinavian Journal of Economics XCII, 1991.

11 Michael J. Sandel, “It’s Immoral to Buy the Right to Pollute,” New York Times, December 17, 1997.

12 William R. White, “Are changes in financial structure extending safety nets?” Bank for International Settlements, Working Paper Number 145, 2004.

13 Louis Uchitelle, “A Broken Economic Law,” New York Times, February 22, 2010.

14 Ben Protess and Susan Craig, “Harsh Words for Regulators in Crisis Commission Report,” New York Times, January 27,2011.

15 Id.

16 Siobhan Hughes and Corey Boyles, “Regulators are Grilled On Hill Over Key Decisions,” Wall Street Journal, May 28,2010.

17 Tom Zeller Jr., “Citing Near Misses, Report Faults Both Nuclear Regulators and Operators,” New York Times, March 17,2010.

18 Evan Turgeon, “Boom and Bust for Whom: The Economic Philosophy Behind the 2008 Financial Crisis,” Virginia Law & Business Review, Spring 2009.

19 Michiyo Nakamoto, “US Can Learn from Japan’s Crisis,” Financial Times , March 23,2008.

20 Stefan Ingves, “The Nordic Banking Crisis from an International Perspective,” Seminar on Financial Crisis, September 11, 2002, available at http://www.imf.org/externaVnp/speeches/2002/091 I02.htm.

21 Id; Nakamoto, supra note 19.

22 Neil Shah and Quentin Fottrell, “Irish Crisis Shakes Europe,” Wall Street Journal, October  1, 2010.

23  Charles Forelle, “EU Sees Wider Greek Deficit, Roiling Markets,” Wall Street Journal, April 23,2010.

24 Ben Levisohn, “QE2: How to Play the Fed ‘s Next Big Move,” Wall Street Journal, October 23, 2010.

25 R. Bruce Craig, Treasonable Doubt: The Harry Dexter White Spy Case (2004).

26 Ross Douthat, “Recession and Revolution,” New York Times, June 15,2009.

27 Ronald I. McKinnon, “Dollar Stabilization and American Monetary Policy,” American Economic Review, May 1980.

28 Judy Shelton, “Stable Money Is the Key to Recovery,” Wall Street Journal, November 14, 2008.

29 E.S. Browning, “Exorcising Ghosts of October’s Past,” Wall Street .Journal, October 15, 2007.

30 Eliot Kalter and Armando Ribas, “The 1994 Mexican Economic Crisis: The Role of Government Expenditure and Relative Prices,” International Monetary Fund, December 1999.

31 “A Glimpse of China in Economic Crisis, Then and Now,” Wall Street Journal, November 13, 2008.

32 Joseph Kahn and Timothy L. O’Brien, “Easy Money: A Special Report; For Russia and Its U.S. Bankers, Match Wasn’t Made in Heaven,” New York Times, October 18, 1998.

33 Tyler Cowen, “Bailout of Long-Term Capital: A Bad Precedent?,” New York Times, December 26,2008.

34 Justin Lahart, “Bernanke’s Bubble Laboratory,” Wall Street Journal, May 16, 2008.

35 Andrew Hill, “Report Blames Enron Culture for Collapse,” Financial Times, February 3, 2002.

36 Chris V. Nicholson, “The Dodd-Frank Bill Up Close,” New York Times, June 28,2010.

37  John H. Makin, “A Goverrunent Failure, Not a Market Failure,” Wall Street Journal, July 1, 2009.

38  Robert W. McGee and Walter E. Block, “Pollution Trad ing Permits as a Form ofMarket Socialism and the Search for a Real Market Solution to Enviromnent Pollution,” Fordham Environmental Law Journal, 1994.

39 Heidi N. Moore, “Just How Far Behind the Pack Is Lehman Brothers?,” Wall Street Journal, August 11, 2008.

40 Alessandro Torello and Matthew Dalton,”EU Urges China to Let Currency Appreciate,” Wall Street Journal, October  5, 2010.

41 Joseph Kahn, “I.M.F. Concedes Its Conditions for Thailand Were Too Austere,” New York Times, February 11, 1998; Matthew Saltmarsh, “Chief of I.M.F. Urges Continued Stimulus Efforts,” New York Times, November 29, 2009.

42 Nakamoto, supra note 19.

43 Nicholas D. Kristof, “Shops Closing, Japan Still Asks, ‘What Crisis?”‘ New York Times, April 21, 1998.